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Title: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 10:34:33 PM / 13-Jun-06
So it began (Well it's been started for a couple weeks now)

I figured i'd post a few updates as some people may be interested.

The flow of jobs goes as follows.

Strip the front end
Remove CA20e
Prep engine bay
Remove EFI harness
Drop front suspension and crossmember
Bolt RB25 to new mounts
Test fit new 240sx struts and crossmember
Attach RB to 240sx crossmember
Lift car on top of engine/tranny
Lower car
Bolt on crossmember
Measure driveshaft & call drivetrain shop
WIRING!!!!!
Shifter  locating
Fuel lines
Install walbro
Radiator (240) install
Install cooling fans
Route intercooler (FMIC) piping
Finish off any loose ends (clean up wiring)
START (hopefully) engine
Connect driveshaft and top off tranny fluid.
Have fun.


Wiring is really going to be a nightmare, so far I know I need to be worried about connecting the: Fuel pump relay, start/on signal. I also have a few connectors on the RB which are "Unknown" and my wiring diagrams lack in the proper info to solve it. I believe they were for the overdrive sensor, brake fluid level, and LSD sensor.. I'll double check though.

Here are the pics!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/Picture001.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/Picture002.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/Picture003.jpg)



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/Picture005.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/Picture006.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/Picture005-1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/Picture006-1.jpg)



(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/Picture007.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/Picture008.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/Picture009.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/Picture010.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: I Hate Ricers on 12:42:58 AM / 14-Jun-06
I hope your car doesn't stay on bricks too long..
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:26:03 AM / 14-Jun-06
LOL, no about a week ago I went out and bought axle stands.

Yeah, that was pretty ghetto rigged there.

We WERE supposed to be building this project in our 'performance shop' but its full with other top priority cars, so I had to start this at my home, where I lack in 'proper tools'....

Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Philipn126 on 08:21:18 AM / 14-Jun-06
thats gonna be a sweet build.  please keep us updated
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 10:29:23 AM / 14-Jun-06
Looks like a big project... i hope the cancer isnt too advanced...

Remember double the amount of time u expect it will take... then add a few months :p

Best of luck... and keep us informed!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: oldschoolsilvia on 02:31:08 PM / 14-Jun-06
Awesome, keep us updated  
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: SilverBox on 06:23:44 PM / 14-Jun-06
Quote from: oldschoolsilvia
Awesome, keep us updated  
i measured this conversion up before deciding on the v8 turbo. no room at the front mate what so ever

good job though!! will be a weapon!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Jokes801tmc on 09:25:10 AM / 15-Jun-06
Yeah the front is a little tight but it fits. This a 26dett in an S12 for referance.






(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/bboyjokestmc/S12_187.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:41:45 PM / 15-Jun-06
I'm actually more concerned about the turbo clearance on the frame rail, and where I will have to locate the downpipe AROUND the steering column.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:00:31 PM / 27-Jun-06
First major problem encountered:

The transmission is both too large, and the mounts are in an undesired position. What does this mean? I am going to basically grind/scape/destroy the S12 mounts off the propeller tunnel and use donor 240 mounts (which were brutally hacked out of a parts car) which will be bolted to the actual mount, then tack welded in place, and reinforced with welds and bracing. This will give the desired bolt spread as well as width, and placement.

We also began the S13 rear suspension conversion today and dropped the S12 subframe. Twas good fun.

Pics to follow.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: hillkill on 05:28:30 PM / 05-Aug-06
I was about to say that I want to see the pics of the blown r180 but I see your already taking care of it.  Would you be able to post some more pics of your progress?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 03:05:40 AM / 06-Aug-06
Updatey demanded.  LOL
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 09:14:06 PM / 10-Aug-06
Then an update thou shalt have.

I hit some major roadblocks with chassis work. I am by no means a body man, and barely have 3 months of mig experience under my belt (without shielding gas).. I will let the pictures do the talking.

I am doing a toad conversion on the front end using grand prix headlights. In this picture it shows how I am attempting to blend the headlight panels into the hood.

 

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/august027.jpg)


The piece of 240sx transmission tunnel we need to use. The aftermarket mounts we have dont even come close to fitting the 200sx bolt holes. AND the 200sx tunnel is too narrow (mounts are too fat).. More chassis modifications.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/august028.jpg)





I have some pictures of the test fit, but nothing very recent.. We have to lift the car into the air and put it ONTO the engine, but that there are no rear wheels we cant really move the car around.


All in all VERY TIME CONSUMING!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: EternalSwap on 11:04:33 PM / 10-Aug-06
Holy cow. You're working your ass off. That's a sweet build man, my best of luck to you.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Jokes801tmc on 12:44:14 AM / 11-Aug-06
Damn thats looking pretty good. I have one suggestion though, send those donor parts to be bead blasted and powder coated. keep udating thoughm this is good stuff.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 01:41:20 AM / 11-Aug-06
Good going and good luck!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 06:21:31 AM / 11-Aug-06
Quote from: Jokes801tmc
Damn thats looking pretty good. I have one suggestion though, send those donor parts to be bead blasted and powder coated. keep udating thoughm this is good stuff.

Way ahead of you. My uncle owns a powdercoating company not far from my home, and he has an in-house sandblaster (good enough). The donor car was very very very rusty. I am having all the 240sx springs powdercoated, and the suspension bits. However, the crossmember is already in place and I am not gonna fuck with it.

Nismo 180sx struts are on the way!!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 11:33:21 PM / 11-Aug-06
How can I say I hate you?  LOL  That is some serious work.  As for the intake thingy for the RB25... yeah, I looked it up for the RB20... I was looking at another $800-ish.  I still have ideas for the future building.  And if I had the luxury of time/money that you apparently seem to have, I would do a better build.  But seeing that my S12 is my daily and I want this thing finished  by HIN, Sept. 30th, I have to settle with some things left undone and to be finished in the future.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:23:23 AM / 12-Aug-06
Quote from: Draconis
How can I say I hate you?  LOL  That is some serious work.  As for the intake thingy for the RB25... yeah, I looked it up for the RB20... I was looking at another $800-ish.  I still have ideas for the future building.  And if I had the luxury of time/money that you apparently seem to have, I would do a better build.  But seeing that my S12 is my daily and I want this thing finished  by HIN, Sept. 30th, I have to settle with some things left undone and to be finished in the future.


You shouldnt have too much trouble. Your tranny will actually FIT the confines of the 200sx tunnel, and you can use the R180 (I just didnt want to)..

Hints for wiring:
a) Use the 200sx lower engine harness
b)locate the oil pressure signal wire in the cluster. Wire it to the ecu
c)locate the 200sx (chassis side) clip that contains the fuel pump relay signal.
d)you will need to switch (via the ignition switch) the ECCS relay and the Ignition relay. The ignition relay charges more than just the coilpacks, read the diagrams.
e)If possible, upgrade to a 240 radiator (or better). You will not be able to fit the clutch fan, so find some alternatives.
f)Fitting in a downpipe around the steering column is hell, get a pro to do it.
g)You may have to cut the hood bracing to clear the throttle body
h)Oil filters are the same as the KA24
i)Check the water pump for corrosion (internally).

As for money, I wouldnt really say I have alot of it. Moreso that I save up for key components which I think will vastly improve this project's all around performance. Almost no money is being spent on looks or interior (It will have no interior).

Today I realized (horribly) that the 240sx front shocks are not going to fit. The springs are too large of a diameter. I do have Nismo 180sx struts on the way, but I believe that I will also need to order a set of Ground control coilovers to adapt to them.. More time/money into the mixing pot.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 03:03:14 AM / 14-Aug-06
Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
You shouldnt have too much trouble. Your tranny will actually FIT the confines of the 200sx tunnel, and you can use the R180 (I just didnt want to)..

I have the tranny and everything already in there.  And I'm still using the R200.

Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
Hints for wiring:
a) Use the 200sx lower engine harness
b)locate the oil pressure signal wire in the cluster. Wire it to the ecu
c)locate the 200sx (chassis side) clip that contains the fuel pump relay signal.
d)you will need to switch (via the ignition switch) the ECCS relay and the Ignition relay. The ignition relay charges more than just the coilpacks, read the diagrams.

Randy does the wiring.  He's getting together with a guy who does RB swaps in S13s and S14s all day long and work on the S12/RB wiring.  But I will definately pass on your advice.

Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
e)If possible, upgrade to a 240 radiator (or better). You will not be able to fit the clutch fan, so find some alternatives.
f)Fitting in a downpipe around the steering column is hell, get a pro to do it.
g)You may have to cut the hood bracing to clear the throttle body
h)Oil filters are the same as the KA24
i)Check the water pump for corrosion (internally).

e: I am using the R32 radiator.  I got the a R32 front clip.  And I am using electric pusher fans.
f: downpipe and all... well everything from the turbo back will be custom per Randy's specs.
g: I am able to close the hood without any issues.  The hood remains intact.
h: oil filters... Using the Z32 turbo/R32 one... same part number.
i: my water pump was in excellent condition, but I did buy one a while ago anyway.


http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=14579 (http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=14579)

Soon to come after will be a GT28R... the S15 BB turbo, bigger fuel injectors and SAFC II or the new replacement for it... forgot the name of it.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: pistonfreak on 08:00:13 AM / 14-Aug-06
I like the steering wheel, BIG dish
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 08:50:47 AM / 16-Aug-06
WOOT! No matter how difficult this swap gets, I really like seeing encouraging things.. JUST by chance, almost the entire lower engine harness is a direct fit from ca20 -->Rb25 this means:

-Reverse light clip PLUGS in
-Neutral safety switch PLUGS IN
-Oil pressure sensor PLUGS in
-Starter and relay PLUGGED in

The only thing there arent accomodations for are the two knock sensors and the speed sensor, I am going to integrate these into the main EFI harness and route them along to the ECU as that is where they are going (non-chassis related).

Sweeeeet.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: eastreet on 02:11:14 PM / 16-Aug-06
Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
WOOT! No matter how difficult this swap gets, I really like seeing encouraging things.. JUST by chance, almost the entire lower engine harness is a direct fit from ca20 -->Rb25 this means:

-Reverse light clip PLUGS in
-Neutral safety switch PLUGS IN
-Oil pressure sensor PLUGS in
-Starter and relay PLUGGED in

The only thing there arent accomodations for are the two knock sensors and the speed sensor, I am going to integrate these into the main EFI harness and route them along to the ECU as that is where they are going (non-chassis related).

Sweeeeet.


sweet!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: outtawheels on 05:26:57 PM / 17-Aug-06
awesome man...when your done with yours you can start on mine

Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 08:09:24 PM / 06-Oct-06
Any news?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: vg30 man on 10:06:16 PM / 06-Oct-06
[quote name='RB25sx - SLPR' date='Jun 13 2006, 08:34 PM' post='87768']
So it began (Well it's been started for a couple weeks now)

I figured i'd post a few updates as some people may be interested.

The flow of jobs goes as follows.

Strip the front end
Remove CA20e
Prep engine bay
Remove EFI harness
Drop front suspension and crossmember
Bolt RB25 to new mounts
Test fit new 240sx struts and crossmember
Attach RB to 240sx crossmember
Lift car on top of engine/tranny
Lower car
Bolt on crossmember
Measure driveshaft & call drivetrain shop
WIRING!!!!!
Shifter  locating
Fuel lines
Install walbro
Radiator (240) install
Install cooling fans
Route intercooler (FMIC) piping
Finish off any loose ends (clean up wiring)
START (hopefully) engine
Connect driveshaft and top off tranny fluid.
Have fun.
Wiring is really going to be a nightmare, so far I know I need to be worried about connecting the: Fuel pump relay, start/on signal. I also have a few connectors on the RB which are "Unknown" and my wiring diagrams lack in the proper info to solve it. I believe they were for the overdrive sensor, brake fluid level, and LSD sensor.. I'll double check though.

Here are the pics!



good luck on it if you need any help pm me and ill be glad to help
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 02:13:23 AM / 19-Oct-06
Any news?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: NizmoFreak on 07:30:13 PM / 22-Oct-06
^^^^ X2!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Seraph1m on 12:15:16 AM / 24-Oct-06
all i can say is, i'm fvcking jealous....i wish i had that much time/money/patience/tools/knowledge/etc
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 02:38:53 AM / 24-Oct-06
the pics?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 07:43:25 PM / 07-Nov-06
I am now at school so there is no real progress being made currently. The subframe was finalized, and the shock towers were 'temporarily' welded so as the car could be moved on 4 wheels. Also, a gaping hole was gouged out of the transmission tunnel so as to let the massive tranny fit.

There are some major issues with the front suspension, namely the T/C rods (240 vs 200 are completely different) and the width of the steerting rack/rie rods. I will have it all sorted though with some TEIN adjustable T/C rods and custom fabbing the 240sx t/c brackets into place. As for the steering rack, I may have to adapt either the 240 rack, or find a combination of 200sx and 240sx rods that will work.

Keep an eye out for the spring, we'll be ordering up some cusco coilovers.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 06:18:00 PM / 04-Mar-07
Getting geared up for the summer season of wrenching!
On their way to my doorstep currently are:


S13/14 adjustable tension rods

(http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/5f/a8/37_1_sbl.JPG)


5 bolt s13 hubs

(http://www.bings.ca/files/hubs_t.jpg)

Fully adjustable S13 tie rod set

(http://www.bings.ca/files/tie%20rod%20set%202_t.jpg)



Stance  GR+ coilovers bitcheezzzz!

(http://www.bings.ca/files/stancepro1.jpg)

This may be more of a luxury, but if I can, i'll be forking over for these FTD flik's wrapped in TOYO T1-R rubber.

(http://www.edgeracing.com/images/wheel/flik_ftd_(matt_black)_angle_zoom.jpg)

MORE PICS IN MAY!

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: erik_200sxdrift on 07:27:25 PM / 04-Mar-07
nice work so far, going to be killer when done!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: TE27Levin on 12:17:17 AM / 14-Mar-07
I would look into Bings Tension rods. They should be coming into the market very soon.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nameless on 12:24:52 AM / 14-Mar-07
Awesome work man  Im definitly looking foreward to more updates
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: keirnna on 10:13:41 AM / 28-Mar-07
Nice let me know if you ever need any small parts from Japan.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: FireFighter90 on 05:05:24 PM / 21-Apr-07
Hey any updates on this build?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: 1NZS12 on 04:34:47 AM / 16-May-07
i was thinking of doing an rb30det with the skyline head in mine but thaught id be safer going sr20det

good luck man
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Julie on 06:29:40 AM / 16-May-07
wow, thats crazy. the notch youre using is pretty rough, but it looks like you got the skills to repair it. very cool project
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 07:13:25 AM / 16-May-07
Pics tonight!!

Front suspension is completely assembled, totalled the cost of the parts and not including the brakes and wheels, its 1800$ Canadian..

Front and rear brakes have been powdercoated ferrari red.

14mm wheel spacers.

Rear strut towers have been completely chopped with a jig system installed to line up the rear coilovers.

Steering column is being adapted to work.

Looking for a 1995/1996 J30 axle and diff (VLSD!).

Now, the challenge comes of finding seats that will fit, so far i've tried: 1991 prelude si seats, 1995 mitsubishi eclipse seats, S13 seats, and S14 seats.. None of them truly fit well, and since im 6'3" they MUST sit low....

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: TalkingGoats on 07:47:42 AM / 16-May-07
Im excited  Cant wait til your done... and you make a video.... I want to see how bad ass an RB25 is in an s12
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nameless on 02:55:15 PM / 16-May-07
I had s13 seats in my car, just used the factory sliders from the S12 bolted on with brackets and they fit like a charm. Sat just as low if not lower than the stock seats.....I recently took them out, and put new stock seats in because the S13 seats are sooo uncomfortable plus they are ugly lol.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Julie on 03:57:05 PM / 16-May-07
you shouldnt have any issues with leg room in a s12... the seats move back into the friggen taillights. Premo is like 6'5 and he fits in a s12. i think the stock seats are the best in terms of comfort and fit. they keep ya pretty low too. you could always try cutting into the seat supports to bring them down a little or even remove some of the material inside the seat.. maybe try different internal springs till it sits just right. use your head with this, you have the skills to make anything happen
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:55:55 AM / 20-May-07
UPDATES! I dont have  picture of my front suspension, but I totalled the cost for it alone, and it's in the area of 1800$.. I shat my pants after I counted...

Here we go:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0863.jpg)

Properly toed wheels thanks to fully adjustable S13 tie rods, bolted to an S12 steering rack which sits atop an S13 crossmember. Wheels are RTX unknowns, 17x7 with a fwd offset. I've purchased 1/2 wheel spacers to compensate.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0865.jpg)

Old VS new, S12 tie rod on left, Brand new BING's fully adjustable tie rod on right, picture taken without the tie rod end.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0869.jpg)

Fuel pumps. Walbro is sitting inside cage (not tied down yet), S12 is on left. As you can see, the trunk had water sitting in it and has lots of surface rust.. Nothing a brillo pad + tremclad cant fix.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0866.jpg)

Ah yes the EPIC hole in the transmission tunnel. Basically what I am doing is welding in a piece of S13 tunnel to accomodate the transmission. This is partly due to how close I am mouting it to the firewall.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0880.jpg)

Me welding the rusty spots on the frame with patches.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0906.jpg)

To position the rear shocks, we had to make reference to the factory mounting locations. Essentially we built a jig which could be placed on the shocktower. It's tip would reference to very top and dead center of where the coilover need sit. We used an S13 with factory mounting locations: it was conveniently located right next to the S12.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0903.jpg)

The car.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0904.jpg)

It's neighbour.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0914.jpg)

Many of these will be consumed.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:22:02 PM / 25-May-07
Subframe has been welded (professionally) and painted tremclad blue. It's nice looking now. E-brake assemblies are together (but confusing as all hell) and the rear end is going together tonight. I have also finished 75% of the rear shock towers. They will need professional metal work/welding to be strong enough to handle the abuse I will throw at it.

Waiting on a set of stainless steel brake lines for the fronts and performance brake pads (HAWK hps for a '93 maxima).

ROLLING CHASSIS FTW!!!!

Man, this is hard stuff...

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:49:32 PM / 22-Jul-07
UPDATE!


July, 22, 2007

Here is where it stands:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007062.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007061.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007060.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/July222007059.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007058.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007057.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007056.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007055.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007054.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007053.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007052.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007050.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007067.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007068.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007070.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007051.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/July222007064.jpg)


Sorry 56K!

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 06:50:06 PM / 22-Jul-07
looks good, still question the front lights tho.

Please tell me those thermo's are designed to be the push type!?!?

very impressed with the subframe work, rear coilovers would make life all that much easier!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 08:39:03 PM / 22-Jul-07
Quote from: gadget1382
looks good, still question the front lights tho.

Please tell me those thermo's are designed to be the push type!?!?

very impressed with the subframe work, rear coilovers would make life all that much easier!

Thanks for the response!

Those headlights are from a 1990 Mazda 626, they arent sealed beam like the grand prix ones, which was a huuuuge bonus (HID anyone?). How do you mean you 'question' them? The brackets are not finished yet, and with the bumper cover on it should look OK.

Yes, I swapped the fans such that they would be pushers. There is a bit of rubbing but it should eventually 'wear away'.

I forgot to mention that mounted within that subframe is a 1994 Infiniti J30 VLSD with corresponding 5 bolt axles.

El drifto!

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Kennyboy on 02:21:40 AM / 23-Jul-07
This is truly amazing respect from the a fellow s12 owner all the way from the u.k.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 02:34:24 AM / 23-Jul-07
question, as in i'm not sold on them yet... they look different, but i'm not sure if they look good or not

The comment about the thermo's was that if they are curved blades / fin's they will not work anywhere near as good if you just wired them so they go in reverse. The fan is optimised to go in one direction only.

But if you have done it properly, hats off! i just am looking out for potential over heating issues, as i've experienced them ... and it aint pretty.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:56:51 AM / 23-Jul-07
Quote from: gadget1382
question, as in i'm not sold on them yet... they look different, but i'm not sure if they look good or not

The comment about the thermo's was that if they are curved blades / fin's they will not work anywhere near as good if you just wired them so they go in reverse. The fan is optimised to go in one direction only.

But if you have done it properly, hats off! i just am looking out for potential over heating issues, as i've experienced them ... and it aint pretty.


I am aware of the overheating issue. And to be honest, they DONT push nearly as well as they pull (I swapped the blade direction).. But we are working on a budget here. Do you know of any 10" fans off hand which are set up as pushers? More than that, i'd be worried about the fact that I am using a single core rad from a 240 with a single cam KA. But afterall I DO live in Canada .

I'll post videos as soon as it's running. Hoping for 295BHP with the bolt-ons I've completed. Might be dyno'ing it August 8th.


Still in the process of wiring. I want to get this shit right, I already fried one ECU because the case was warped and shorted out some pins!!  

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 07:49:13 AM / 23-Jul-07
You should be ok then. If you swapped the blades around.

Canada's pretty cool.

The only RB setup i've seen here had a custom radiator that was 2.5" thick in the aircon's location. Was only able to fit one pull themo, and had a push one on the other side.

Still yet to see how it goes now. But it used to run ok before it was drifted into a wall. I helped put it into a new shell, but required alot of work since i last saw it.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: IggyEGuana on 01:14:22 AM / 28-Jul-07
If you haven't decided on a seat yet and want to go the inexpensive route a CRX seat is pretty nice and very low.

http://hondaswap.com/attachments/893d11587...-3-interior.jpg (http://hondaswap.com/attachments/893d1158710735-crx-3-interior.jpg)

The underside of the seat is bucketed down to make the sitting position very low.  If you flipped one of these seats on its side you'd see what I mean.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:57:01 PM / 29-Jul-07
It lives..

After triple checking my wiring (powered up the harness without the ecu plugged in).. I attached the ecu.. Flicked my fuel pump toggle activator, and turned the key..

Three blips of the starter and it fired up like a champ. Now all I need is to figure out what goddamn pitch those vacuum port fitting are on the greddy manifold, get a longer throttle cable, and route some vacuum lines and it will be driveable. IT EVEN IDLES NICELY!!!

Videos will follow..

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 07:01:33 PM / 29-Jul-07
Massive congrats mate. I remember hearing my car start for the first time over the phone, when the car was at the auto elec's. I was beaming and then wanting to rush over and take it for a long drive... only issue was the trans wasnt in working order  

Nothing like a pick me up in the middle of a long build to push you over the line.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:24:15 PM / 29-Jul-07
Video quality isnt the best, it was a cell phone..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsxsbGb7iLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsxsbGb7iLY)

The sudden "Whoa whoa stop it" and discussion on the metal shavings is no cause to be worried. It was the cam angle sensor - somehow it was rubbing against the cam gear bolts.. I took it off, cleaned it up and its fine..

I'm the guy in the red shirt whos running around.. My favorite line "Lets go get beers, guys".

Engine is messy with wires and hoses and shit like that, but this is of course still a work in progress.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 06:26:59 AM / 30-Jul-07
woo hoo!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:00:30 AM / 01-Aug-07
Tonight the car moved under it's own power..

I've patched the transmission tunnel, built an air intake, bolted on the axles, installed the dash, wired the cluster (not working yet), installed my switch panel, shortened my tie rods, and fixed a coolant leak..

The biggest issue by far was the front brake rotors.. Running maxima calipers on 350z rotors definetly has some challenges.. I had to have the rotors thinned from 24mm to 22mm, then I had to have them narrowed from a 294mm diameter to 290mm.. Then I had to put 2mm spacers between the caliper and knuckle because the rotor OFFSET was different.. Man, what a nightmare.. But hey, for anyone who is running S13 front suspension its a totally DO-ABLE upgrade.. 350z (non brembo) rotors, 1993 maxima calipers, turn the rotors down by my specs, and use those washers as spacers and you're laughing!! This thing should stop on a dime.

There are problems though, a grinding 'brrrrrrzzzzzzz' sound from the transmission.. Going to check fluid level tomorrow and tighten down the shifter plate.. I REALLY hope I dont need a new tranny - because they run about 1000$ or more...

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 10:16:50 PM / 01-Aug-07
This is phenomenal.  I don't think when this club started I ever imagined that anyone would ever go this far with an S12, to the level you have.  Congradulations on your successful build, you are truely an inspiration to us all.  Something like this I could see being done in a shop, but for a guy to do it in his/friends garage, is badass  
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 09:10:39 AM / 02-Aug-07
Quote from: 200sxkitcar
This is phenomenal.  I don't think when this club started I ever imagined that anyone would ever go this far with an S12, to the level you have.  Congradulations on your successful build, you are truely an inspiration to us all.  Something like this I could see being done in a shop, but for a guy to do it in his/friends garage, is badass  

For lack of a better word, i'm flattered.

In 200 (250sx now) related news, it now officially runs and drives. I am now taking care of legality issues which include:

-Speedometer
-Signals (done)
-Headlight wiring (done)
-Horn (need momentary switch)
-Bumper cover needs mounting
-Fenders need to be fastened down

Wish me luck on inspection boyos!

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 12:41:57 PM / 02-Aug-07
It's just awesome! The whole build is! Good luck on inspection, man!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: EternalSwap on 04:04:45 PM / 02-Aug-07
Fuck yeah, make a "Datsun 250SX" emblem decal for the rear. Haha!

Thats bad ass dude, congrats.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 04:33:07 PM / 02-Aug-07
Silvia GT-R
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:21:50 PM / 02-Aug-07
I actually already have a "250sx" sticker made up.. My buddy works at the sign shop.

Tonight I re-wired the headlights, hooked the thermo rad fan relay up, bled the brakes, tucked wires, plumbed my greddy catch can, and painted my trunk.

Car gets prepped for spray tomorrow - its going to be a dark grey/gunmetal.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gerrybg on 07:30:39 PM / 06-Aug-07
Fantastic on everything. (Oh except headlights,looks like 80's mazda 929 with them yuk!)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 12:27:32 AM / 07-Aug-07
I don't like headlight also, but if the owner likes it - it'll do.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: dangina on 01:16:17 AM / 07-Aug-07
thats completely badass!!! bump for somemore videos!!!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 08:28:13 AM / 07-Aug-07
Quote from: gerrybg
Fantastic on everything. (Oh except headlights,looks like 80's mazda 929 with them yuk!)


I absolutely haaaaaaate pop-ups. I will eventually convert to something different and just straight up rectangular - but these will do for now..

Car has running issues - its super rich! I'm going over all my sensor voltages, and changing some components (water temp sensor, spark plugs, checking for boost leaks etc..

Videos to come once its running respectably.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:59:49 PM / 16-Aug-07
damn man that's fucking awesome and it's a notch fuckin sweet bro good job on the car and goodluck with the future of it
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 12:25:31 PM / 19-Aug-07
Dont make a Silvia GT-R.  I did that and ppl got heaps of mad cause the only GT-R  in any car should be a RB26 powered one.  Actually, yours would be considered a 250SR.  If you go by the name of the Z31 with the RB20, it was called a 200ZR.  200 for the liter, Z for the chassis and R for RB or race spec.  Iono.  That could be considered p.c. in some ways, but ppl still get all stupid about it.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gadget1382 on 08:39:58 PM / 19-Aug-07
Silvia RS - R ?
or
Silvia RS - S

With the S15 Silvia / 200SX here, they have spec R and Spec S depending on the lux or race spec.

Silvia GT would work... and GT-R people are less likely to get peeved too...
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:58:54 AM / 20-Aug-07
Car runs fucking unbeliveable right now...

Cuts insane biscuits, except for when my friend almost put it into the trees.

Still need to get the tach working. Digital speedometer is a go, and Prosport Boost, fuel pres, oil pres, etc are all working..

This car is all I could have hoped for..

Colour is a gunmetal (Gloss black mixed with 10% aluminium color)...

Pictures to come!

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 01:06:40 AM / 20-Aug-07
Waiting for pics and promised video!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Xano on 10:12:15 AM / 21-Aug-07
Hey on the naming spec, call it a Nissan Sivlia SX-R

awesome job getting such a beastly engine into such a small space

also, get that beast on a dyno and a track, get us some qtr mile times. =)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 02:24:00 AM / 01-Sep-07
How the progress is going with the car? Can't wait to see it completed and video from the test runs!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: KLOX on 03:45:30 PM / 08-Sep-07
WHERE IS THE DAMN PICS AND THE DAMN VIDEO!? DAMN!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Xano on 05:49:18 PM / 08-Sep-07
Quote from: KLOX
WHERE IS THE DAMN PICS AND THE DAMN VIDEO!? DAMN!
KLOX, "only adults like us can say damn, bitch ass, and hell, so get your bitch ass the hell in that damn room now, damnit" -ATHF
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:31:23 AM / 11-Sep-07
The car has completed a 6300km journey. Travelling from Charlottetown PEI to Victoria BC (Across the entirety of Canada) in 8 days..

I suppose you can call that a success.  I couldnt be happier.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2743.jpg)

The black&white doesnt show the colour, but its a dark grey gunmetal - a 400$ single stage paint job done in the back shop of my buddy's garage..

Videos of biscuits to be posted once my friend gets off his ass and posts them.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: IggyEGuana on 08:21:32 PM / 11-Sep-07
Wow I wish that pic had color just for the view.  I fucking love Canada.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: gabesn200sx on 09:38:02 PM / 11-Sep-07
I'm really impressed!! I am a long time owner of an 84 200sx. I've spent a lot of time keeping the ca20 running for about 200K miles. It's about done its deed and I'm deciding on whether to fix it, or just do a swap. I think I know now what I want to do. Now just wondering what engine to go with. I can't believe you fit that 25 in there that's awesome. I want to congradulate you with your accomplishment. I would like to see video of it running and driving. Great Job. By the way, I've had my 200 since I was 16, about 10 years now. I can't seem to let it go. It just grows on you. Gotta love those s-12s....
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: asparagus on 09:50:32 PM / 11-Sep-07
  Please don't make up some name that never existed for our car like sx-r gt-r pg-r jk-r fx-r or anything. If you SERIOUSLY want to waste your time and money making making a sticker to call it something it isn't, I suppose 250sx is more than enough since the numbers at least imply the displacement.

edit: the car looks great! multilink rear <3
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:53:20 PM / 13-Sep-07
man That is one sweet ride
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: SHIFT_LOVE on 08:29:25 PM / 13-Sep-07
im sojealous... post pics of everything finished, interior suspension engine bay front end video dehhh cmon im anticipating this one
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:48:36 PM / 13-Sep-07
So driving down the road the other day, and the car quits. I had just cleaned out the MAF (I allowed it to dry as well), well as it turns out it didnt like that. Perhaps the caked on layer of dirt on the element was protecting it.

I took the opportunity to rip out the EFI harness and I am going over the whole thing and RE-LOOMING it. I will also delete my rats nest wiring and generally tidy it up.

Also, the tie rod ends were rotten (aftermarket, but under an awesome warranty from an awesome company) so I ripped the front end apart.

Here are some pics of the interior with the AE86 seats. It shows the hurriedness of the final assembly with the bad fitment of the cluster and the clumsily located tach etc.. As I said, still a work in progress.


The car is BACK TO ITS ORIGINS now that I have almost no tools out here in BC.. With a jerry can holding the brake assembly, and a cinderblock keepin' it real on the frame rail!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF2764.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF2767.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF2766.jpg)


So what do you all think of the colour? It's custom - we call it "Captain morgans drunkard grey".


-Dan

PS- Still waiting on my friend to upload the biscuit video that was done in PEI.

Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 01:48:20 AM / 14-Sep-07
The places for popup lights on the hoods is not smoothened out completely - I can see they were there, haha
And take off this things out of your seats!

In other that'll do for the beginning.  Waiting for some vids!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:32:20 AM / 14-Sep-07
Quote from: Nitro
The places for popup lights on the hoods is not smoothened out completely - I can see they were there, haha
And take off this things out of your seats!

In other that'll do for the beginning.  Waiting for some vids!


I dont really care that the hood wasnt completely smoothed out.. If I wanted to I could have taken an extra 20 hours and gone over the car (pre - primer) with a fine tooth comb but I really dont care how the car looks.. It is intended to be a track car. The deletion of the pop-ups was more of a weight saving and aerodynamic measure than an visual appearance issue.

Also, when you drive 6000 km on stock AE86 seats without padding, you tell me how your ass feels   . Not too nice! The stock 200 seat on the driver side had rebar poking through it so I junked them reaaaaaal fast.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Ozchuck on 04:54:47 AM / 14-Sep-07
How high do they sit?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 12:39:06 PM / 14-Sep-07
Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
I dont really care that the hood wasnt completely smoothed out.. If I wanted to I could have taken an extra 20 hours and gone over the car (pre - primer) with a fine tooth comb but I really dont care how the car looks.. It is intended to be a track car. The deletion of the pop-ups was more of a weight saving and aerodynamic measure than an visual appearance issue.

Also, when you drive 6000 km on stock AE86 seats without padding, you tell me how your ass feels   . Not too nice! The stock 200 seat on the driver side had rebar poking through it so I junked them reaaaaaal fast.

-Dan

That completely answers my questions, thanks!  
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Premo on 12:40:24 PM / 14-Sep-07
if i had a grampa he would use those seat covers.  lol  and what asparagus said about the name.  the car is sick tho man, good work!  
*internet high five*
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Jackalope on 01:01:22 PM / 14-Sep-07
whats is the little light sticking out from underneath the plastic kinda near the shifter??
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: TalkingGoats on 04:03:18 PM / 19-Nov-07
BUMP FOR BURNOUT VIDEO! OR 0-200k pull!

Seriously though.... O.O
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:49:34 PM / 20-Nov-07
Quote from: DeathAndMajesty
BUMP FOR BURNOUT VIDEO! OR 0-200k pull!

Seriously though.... O.O


I am working on it. I've rebuilt the entire wiring harness and trimmed out the rats nest of old engine bay wiring. I believe i've got a maf sensor or a fuel pressure issue (My fuel pressure gauge shows sporatic readings).

Working a full time job + full time computer systems student = makes me busy..

We are working on it though!

She currently is all back together in one piece and has a brand new set of tie rod ends on it, I also fastened my fire extinguisher in the trunk solidly.

Thanks for the bump and reminder!

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 03:12:36 PM / 20-Nov-07
Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
Working a full time job + full time computer systems student = makes me busy..


Now that's what I tried to tell to DeadPirate!  Respect, man!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:42:42 PM / 23-Nov-07
ITS ALIVE! (AGAIN)

Ended up being a simple fueling issue, I have a piece of flexline patching part of the fuel line where it was ruptured by a careless drill hole, the fittings came loose and I was letting air in and fuel out.

Got it running again, but there are major idle issues, and potentially some vaccuum leaks and timing problems.

I'll get that video asap once shes done (maybe this weekend).

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: falkhen on 12:17:36 AM / 24-Nov-07
yeah i tracked down. issue with mine RB20DET couldn't figure out why it was ideling so high.
1100~1300rpms to high..




if you look at the English RB32 service manual it will tell you wrong info on the timing marks there backwards. the service manual reads the marks counter clockwise 30° to 0°. ok in that iet the timing at 15°TDC  adjusted the idel speed. so it was idleing at 709~689rpms as a test and the car ran like dogshit. i check it twice.. what the hell. becuase im used to working with subaru's and various Swedish cars. i tried it again thinking that it was back wards.
0°~30°
and set it 15° TDC the idle came up( this is a good sign) didn't adjust just yet. i have one of those timing lights that lets me set the advance so all i have to do is set 0°.

car drove like a champ. adjusted the idle accordingly.

my car no longer idles very high and dies every time im driving more then 5 minuets at a
time.


your car looks little like a Pintara with those headlights.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 07:07:12 PM / 26-Nov-07
On a cold afternoon, the beast was awoken from it's slumber..

Though churning through cold oil, and riddled with vaccuum leaks, she still fired up. I have since fixed the sputtering off-throttle reponse (IAC valve) and the lifters have replenished themselves with oil.

Nonetheless, here is a breif teaser video of the initial startup.

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v230/dea...nt=P1010083.flv (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/?action=view&current=P1010083.flv)

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: KLOX on 07:31:11 PM / 26-Nov-07
congrats man! u did it!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Nitro on 01:49:10 AM / 27-Nov-07
Glad to see it runnin', congrats! Now set it up properly and give us the burnout vid already! )
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: asparagus on 06:45:05 AM / 29-Nov-07
I've been looking into a multilink swap for quite some time and I really only have one question. It looks like the front mounting locations for the subframe...fit our original mounting location bolts? Am I right? It looks like it went right in, and you just needed to make new mounts for the rear of the subframe?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:05:58 AM / 30-Nov-07
Quote from: asparagus
I've been looking into a multilink swap for quite some time and I really only have one question. It looks like the front mounting locations for the subframe...fit our original mounting location bolts? Am I right? It looks like it went right in, and you just needed to make new mounts for the rear of the subframe?

If only it were that easy my friend..

Infact NONE of the mounting locations lined up, I just made it look like that..

What I did was cut the front mounts off the S12 subframe (and left a 6 inch tab on them), and then sliced the bushing off the S13 subframe.

Then I took literally hundreds of measurements, and jacked the subfram into place in such a way that the wheel would be centered, this involved compensating for yaw and pitch.

After that I measured from various chassis points to points on the subframe to 'triangulate' it into place.

The next step was a very archaic one, basically once I had measured and it "looked" right, I bolted the cut off S12 subframe bushings with 6" tabs in place and then welded them directly (after some trimming from an angle grinder) to the S13 subframe.

There is a crossmember in the trunk (I believe it is the same on coupes and hatches) which lines up PERFECTLY with the location of the rear mounts on the S13 independent rear. But it is not built to handle the loads - so it needs to be beefed up..

I drilled a 3/4" hole through the crossmember straight down from the trunk, then beefed up the entry and exit holes, then I dropped in 3/4" allthread and literally "slung" the subframe underneath..

Then I sent the subframe out for welding to have the transition from S13 subframe --> S12 bushing cleaned up. Now it looks fantastic.

Bolted it in place and we're half way there...

The next part was the shock tower construction. The s13 (As im sure you all know) uses a spring on shock assembly vs the S12 seperate shock and spring.. It was a scary moment the time I literally began slicing my shock towers out.. They were in such good shape!

Then I built the alignment jigs (pictured earlier) to locate the position of the shock mount, and went from there..

This was indeed a very huge endeavor and overall in the entire build consumed roughly 20% of the total workload AT LEAST! This basically means it took about 100 man hours or more (From me, and unexperienced builder). But now i've got a car that is basically an S13 running with an S12 body, and Skyline drivetrain..

What fun!

-Dan

PS- When I take apart the rear end, I will snap pictures and post a more elaborate write up.. But trust me, this is not for the faint of heart.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: TechDaddy on 09:02:16 PM / 05-Jan-08
All in all I must say that I am Very impressed! Excelent job! I like the black and white picture the best. Please post some better pics, ie. more light. Got to say though that the steering wheel is....shall we say....super getto! Get a Nardi or the new drift wheel from MOMO. Is your HUD working? That would be so cool if you got it to work in an S12. I thought of going with a Defi HUD in mine for the Tach readout. I agree with Julie on the seats. I'm 6'6" and with the stock seats I fit fine and trust me if you have them re-upholstered you will love them. I have sat in a pair with added bolstering, closed cell foam and Alcantara upholstery and I was ready to do the same in a heartbeat. They were SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck man and enjoy yourself in BC!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:38:19 PM / 07-Jan-08
Quote from: TechDaddy
All in all I must say that I am Very impressed! Excelent job! I like the black and white picture the best. Please post some better pics, ie. more light. Got to say though that the steering wheel is....shall we say....super getto! Get a Nardi or the new drift wheel from MOMO. Is your HUD working? That would be so cool if you got it to work in an S12. I thought of going with a Defi HUD in mine for the Tach readout. I agree with Julie on the seats. I'm 6'6" and with the stock seats I fit fine and trust me if you have them re-upholstered you will love them. I have sat in a pair with added bolstering, closed cell foam and Alcantara upholstery and I was ready to do the same in a heartbeat. They were SWEET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Good luck man and enjoy yourself in BC!

Thanks for the comments!

The seats were strictly an afterthought, we scored them from an AE86, I would have opted for anything but the stock ones.. Honest to god, they were horrible. But the way these seats are mounted should not have  passed inspection. The driver's seat has 3 of 4 mounting locations secured..

Once I get some funds my way, I will be setting up a nice set of sparcos (or at least 1)..

Some new pictures are definetly in order, but the way things are going it wont be until spring time when I get my burnout video and glamour shots posted. To be honest I am not content with the way the engine bay and dash turned out - so i'm a little ashamed of it...

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Walteezy on 07:59:18 AM / 21-Feb-08
dude wow that video.
man i can't believe you did it!
wow mk2 notch ftw!
i dont like the front light conversion because i like the pop up ones but damn that car is fresh!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 09:36:48 PM / 22-Feb-08
Annnnddd here is a quick burnout video!

http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=20529 (http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=20529)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: seb.racing on 07:34:23 PM / 19-Sep-08
the news?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: cannan89 on 03:25:01 AM / 05-Jun-09
I know I'm bumping an old thread, but I'm really curious what happened to this car! Any idea what's going on?  
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 03:40:27 AM / 05-Jun-09
Yea dude.  Bring your rig down and visit mine.  My buddy has got a new camera so we can get some good shots and vids mate!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:42:37 AM / 05-Jun-09
Thanks for the bump

Car is currently off the road, it needs a variety of things done to it.. The shortlist includes:

-New turbo (Thinking gt3071r) and DP
-New steering rack, wheel and column.
-Aluminium radiator with better fans
-Proper seats with proper brackets

The electrical side of things needs lots of attention too.. I will likely be using a Universal 12 circuit painless wiring kit for the chassis, and mating that to a megasquirt 2.0 efi system controlling spark through an EDIS 6 setup.. End goal is about 450ft/lbs at the wheels at no more than 4000rpm.

I've budgeted about $5000 to get the car road legal and running WELL.. Problem is I wont have that money until my school is over.. Expect updates (and a new thread) towards the fall of '09..

She ain't dead yet!

-Dan

PS - Most of my time has been consumed lately by my saab.. Check the thread at: http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135169 (http://www.saabcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=135169)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: cannan89 on 04:16:16 AM / 05-Jun-09
I was lurking 6 or 8 or 12 months before I joined, and this build is what really got me to sign up. Fantastic job you have done to this point, I hope to one day have an RB in my s-12 (if it ever gets out of storage!!) Good luck with your Saab! (it seems better suited to Canadian winters) but I hope to see some progress on the silvia!          
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: firefox on 03:33:49 PM / 15-Jun-09
i absolutely hate the head lights.
but the rest is fucking awesome.



you might have saved 5 lbs swapping for those gay ass lights.

but you added 5 lbs of weld to the hood.(which is much higher then the motors)
so its equal weight and indescribably shitty looking


tell me these don't look better
(http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/34/l_8fb225e81e536179d868af15e9fb7785.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:02:36 PM / 30-Jan-10
What can I say.. It has been a struggle for the past 2 years to even keep possession of this car.. It was impounded twice for 'bad parking', I was caught once for driving without insurance; it essentially has been a curse ever since moving to the west coast of Canada.. And it is entirely my fault.

But...

The beast still lives.

It all started with a posting for a 1987 200sx notch with a broken timing belt, the car was bought, and the part out festival began. To make the '250sx' usable again it needed a plethora of parts.. Here now begins a pictographical portrayal of how this has begun to unfold..

The parts car:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2763-1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2764-Copy.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2765-1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2794.jpg)



Let me just say, that before you can improve you must first admit your faults.. This car was RUSHED in a big way, it suffered from wiring incompetency, and a very very inept cooling system. I intend to address both of these issues.


The decrepit state of my engine bay:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2757-1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2758.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2759-1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2760-1.jpg)



The factory 200sx radiator will be replaced in short order, this car will not run without a new radiator of some variety, dual pass full aluminium preferred. I very much like the look of what Colin (Draconis) has going on with his build, I am looking into a custom fab radiator at the moment. I suspected the stock turbo to have a leak in its thrust bearing, so I sold it off as rebuildable and am looking for a replacement - be it stock or upgrade is unimportant.

Current radiator:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2813.jpg)


I fear that the large intercooler played a key role in so thouroughly overheating my engine, thus, I will opt for a smaller intercooler until larger power goals are realized. To boot, I discovered that whilst in 'storage' (parked outside) water crept into the lower part of my intake system and filled my IC with water.. It produced a very sandy form of corrosion (Aluminium nitrate??)

The flakes:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2814.jpg)

So sandy:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2815.jpg)

The culprit:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2816.jpg)



All I can say is: Welcome to Canada where the climate is none-too-nice.


The interior was always somethign that had bothered me.. I had essentially paid someone to remove all the sound deadening, problem was that they were a lazy ass and never finished it. I finished chipping off the sound deading in about 2 hours and removed the firewall mat as well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2817.jpg)


Oh god, the bathroom caulking.. this will be replaced with actual seam sealer.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2818.jpg)

Rusty strut towers... These have been around since I had the car, I finally decided to do something.. I ripped off the piece of rusted metal, tomorrow I will be grinding it down and welding in replacements...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2819.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2820.jpg)


The rusted part of the floor, cut, and will be patched with 16ga galvanized steel.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2821.jpg)


Where I sat at the end of today.

Firewall stripped:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2823-1.jpg)


Engine bay simplified:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2825-1.jpg)



Overall engine bay shot w/shock towers:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2828-1.jpg)


The parts list (yet to buy) is as follows:

Upgraded radiator (koyo, mishimoto, or custom)
dual 12" cooling fans (The chinese pieces of junk I had will not suffice)
New intercooler piping 2.5" mandrel bent.
Replacement turbo - RB25, t3 .60 A/R, gt30r, etc
Blow off valve (synchroni
New (to me) RB25 engine harness

And just for the record, yes the parts car WAS in better shape than my chassis.. However, as you all know sometimes cars just dont make sense, and you follow your heart not your head.. Me and this 200 have been through far too much together, and I am not about to give up on it now.

I promise, something very very good will come of all this.

-Dan


Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:51:16 AM / 31-Jan-10
sweet good to see ur back at it.  noticed the mudflaps on that parts car.  did u make a part out thread?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 01:48:51 AM / 31-Jan-10
Dan, come Tuesday I should have an answer for you on the rad.  Also, cannot wait for the parts you're sending.  Sooner to getting mine finalized.  Btw, I'm gonna be stealing some pics for the write up we've been working on.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:55:37 AM / 31-Jan-10
@Iggy:

Thanks man, it feels good to be back after so long.

As for the parting out, I pretty much need everything I removed minus a few parts.. Anything related to electrical, steering, interior, wiper actuators, or even exterior was needed... My car was running as a shell before.. But if there is a very specific part you need let me know all the same - I will do my best. The shell (rust free, I feel like a wang) was sent to the crusher.


@Colin

Go ahead on taking the pics, I hope to have underbody shots of the 1 piece driveshaft, rear suspension assembly, and transmission setup this week sometime.. I eagerly await feedback on the radiator as I need a much better solution ASAP.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:46:17 AM / 31-Jan-10
I was begining to wonder what happened to you gald to see your back rb25 swap is pure win!!!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Leegamer on 11:26:46 AM / 31-Jan-10
Yes!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Arro on 03:57:17 PM / 31-Jan-10
Good to see you're getting back to it, Dan... be sure to keep us posted as you make more progress!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Lynium on 04:47:27 PM / 31-Jan-10
very nice... I cant wait to se her all up and done.

Ya know, us albertan and BC people should make a mixed mingler... like a western canada meet some day.. The way things are.. say maybe about 2013.. ? Maybe enough of us will have our cars perfected by then to make it a well worthy trip!
(Although, It seems theres more in BC than in alberta... lol)

I've been very lucky and have litteraly no signs of rust aside from the drivers rear part of the front fender... it rusted off across where the lower screw thing is, door opening crunched it in some.. I have a good fix for that and can get away without needing a new fender...

Road salts suck.. Although i dont have the salty ocean to deal with either...

Also, just curious, how far are you from the shuswap?
I'll be out there end of august sometime, as part of our x-mas presants, the inlaws got us a spot on a houseboat for a week with em.. just have to cover our trip there!

If you're close enough, i'd be up for comming to say hi and drooling on your hood a bit.
I've never seen any s12s aside from ine and the other one Im (Theoretically) getting...


Quote from: IggyEGuana
sweet good to see ur back at it.  noticed the mudflaps on that parts car.  did u make a part out thread?

I noticed those too myself... I couldnt realy tell with the door open in the pic I got to staring at, but i dont think theres anymore of a kit to it is there..

I hope everything removable form the shell was removed...
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: D-sport S12 on 12:56:09 AM / 01-Feb-10
^ i live in the shuswap
Victoria to the shuswap could be done in an easy 6 hours with the fairy ride
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:30:12 AM / 01-Feb-10
I want to ride a fairy to a different city that sounds like fun
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:00:52 PM / 24-Feb-10
Update.

Much welding has been done, not as much as I would like to eventually do (ie: rethink the rear 240sx mounting).. But it is enough for now to get the car on the road.

Degreased the whole engine bay and painted it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2830.jpg)

New shock tower seam covers (invented word??) mine were rusted as hell.. 16ga galvanized steel.. the welds are bit off because I was just 'tuning' my new argon mix setup.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2831.jpg)

1 gauge power and 2 gauge negative wires run from the trunk. These will be secured with P clamps and are being passed through rubber grommets anywhere they meet metal.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2832.jpg)

The 'interior' (lack thereof) has been gone over, the hole in the passenger side has been patched.. There is more rust repair to do along the inner rockers, but I will need to address this in April. That large rubber acordion you see is infact a grommet meant for outboard boat motor controls, it will serve as my shifter boot.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2833.jpg)

Ahem... How do I say this.. Yes that is bathroom caulking.. That was before I learned about seam sealer. This too will be fixed in april. This is a fairly good shot of the custom rear shocktowers.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2834.jpg)

This should make lots of people happy. Notice anything different?? How about: No mazda 626 headlights.. The fitment on the factory lights isnt perfect but I will shim it until it sits just right. I also have a new rad support that can be welded in (down the road).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2835.jpg)

What had to be done to fix my sawzall spree of several years ago.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2836.jpg)

I've had this wilwood proportioning valve for 3 years.. I finally decided to just install it in the engine bay where a coupler normally sits, though I need to get new flare nuts to fit the threads on the adapters.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2837.jpg)

Mocking up things. Wiring harness is in, washer tank, stock 200sx rad, PS reservoir, etc.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2838.jpg)

Test fitting the intercooler.. Ideally I would like to get a smaller one, as I dont want to notch the bumper mounts. This picture makes me think that I am going to have to cut the lower air dam off and make my own front splitter from 1/2 lexan, polystyrene, or fiberwrapped marine plywood to get proper airflow. I do NOT repeat DO NOT want to have the same cooling issues I had before spring up.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2839.jpg)

We are building a proper adapter harness, I've got a proper set of 240sx captive end greased balljoints (not heim joints - which aren't road legal), and I will be needing a new blowoff valve.. Mine was sitting low in the intake piping and condensation caused it to get heavily corroded. I've had my eye on the synapse 'synchronic' unit - but we will see. Ive got another Rb25 turbo to bolt on, however I am lacking the banjo bolts and oil drain, so I am on the lookout for some stock T3 fittings.

-Dan

Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Phisherman09 on 11:04:02 PM / 24-Feb-10
NICE! good too see this car still lives.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:49:45 AM / 25-Feb-10
progress is looking good can't wait to see this beast running...
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: D-sport S12 on 03:08:03 AM / 25-Feb-10
if i ever make it to the island ( could be moving to Vic next year) we shall have to have a s12 meet
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 03:20:05 AM / 25-Feb-10
Quote from: D-sport S12
if i ever make it to the island ( could be moving to Vic next year) we shall have to have a s12 meet

Count me in cause once we both have our S12s running, we are def. gonna be working together on some projects and on refining.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: D-sport S12 on 03:41:50 AM / 25-Feb-10
Quote from: Draconis
Count me in cause once we both have our S12s running, we are def. gonna be working together on some projects and on refining.

I also need to get my S12 running lol
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: rage on 10:35:34 PM / 25-Feb-10
cool build, good to see you back working on it.

did you ever consider putting the intercooler behind the radiator? there might not be enough room, but it would certainly solve your overheating problems.

also- if you ever consider lowering your car, you might want to relocate that harness/ power/ground wires (why you have a ground running is beyond me) as it would probably rub under full compression
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: seishuku on 10:39:13 PM / 25-Feb-10
If you put it behind the radiator, then you might as well not use an intercooler at all, it'll just suck up whatever heat comes off the radiator.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: rage on 11:00:50 PM / 25-Feb-10
granted it wouldnt be as cold of a charge, but saying it wouldnt cool it at all is absurd, ive seen a few intercooler setups done this way.

by your thought process, you might aswell not have a radiator either (aircool conversion, haha), if you have a FMIC. since its just sucking up whatever heat comes off the intercooler
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:06:40 PM / 25-Feb-10
I had considered re-arranging things, but if I were going to go to that extent I would opt for a V-mount setup where the rad and intercooler meet at a ~90degree angle - though this would involve moving the motor back at least 6 inches among other things. Another option is doing a top mount intercooler with some serious ducting.

 I think the 13"x22" rad fitting inside the rad support will open lots of windows for me, and a smaller intercooler will allow me to pick and choose where I want it mounted.. Also, new endtanks on the IC core are an option, though not likely because this core is pretty shitty.

As for the ground wire, I wanted to ensure all critical systems are properly grounded. Factory install has grounding wires direct to the block and head - I am trying to recreate that.

Cheers.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: seishuku on 05:59:22 PM / 26-Feb-10
Quote from: rage
granted it wouldnt be as cold of a charge, but saying it wouldnt cool it at all is absurd, ive seen a few intercooler setups done this way.

by your thought process, you might aswell not have a radiator either (aircool conversion, haha), if you have a FMIC. since its just sucking up whatever heat comes off the intercooler
Yea, well show me an intercooler that's constantly at 180 degrees and I'll agree.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: brewster240 on 06:38:29 PM / 26-Feb-10
excuse me, but where did you see a setup with an intercooler behind the rad?

Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: rage on 03:33:52 AM / 27-Feb-10
theres this with a rad 8" e-fan

(http://www.customtacos.com/gallery2/data/500/78engine_1.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:16:45 AM / 01-Mar-10
Steering system is in and complete - no more click in the steering system, it is using sealed greased balljoints, the power steering system is bolted up, but there is not cooler (yet).

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2846.jpg)

Interior reassembly will commence this week, but not the dash as we need to wire in the adapter harness and possibly gauges as well.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2845.jpg)

Doesn't look like much, but having a steering column and rack in good shape will make a world of difference for this car.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2844.jpg)

Goodbye rust hole, hello paint streaks.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2843.jpg)

My best friend: wd40.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2842.jpg)


Yard work + car work = long day!


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2841.jpg)


-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 02:22:36 AM / 01-Mar-10
Serious?  You're not even in a garage?  Gal dang dude.  I have always had to do my work at a shop due to living in a flat and having no space to do work, not to mention the flat managers frown on that stuff.  Then I got an industrial storage unit and started doing some work but then, it was a little too late.  So with this last bit, my expectations and what I wanted was out of my ability/knowledge.  So, that is why this is the first time I havent truly worked on my car.  Only I've done is some swapping of the interior and the Z31 rear hubs/arms/axles.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:47:46 AM / 01-Mar-10
Add to that the fact that the covered work area is a new addition, and in BC it rains CONSTANTLY 7 months out of the year. Puts a bit of a damper on the amount of work that can be accomplished.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 02:54:59 AM / 01-Mar-10
Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
Add to that the fact that the covered work area is a new addition, and in BC it rains CONSTANTLY 7 months out of the year. Puts a bit of a damper on the amount of work that can be accomplished.

I know the feeling man.  I dont live that far south of you.  It friggin sucks!  One thing I hate most, working on a car with fingers you cannot feel and hitting them cause they hurt forever.  First a dull annoying feel, then you try to massage the fingers and all it does is warm up the fingers making it hurt more.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:16:07 AM / 01-Mar-10
pansies try swapping a turbo on a dsm in the pouring rain and laying under the car in the water because you have no other car to get to work and you have 2 days in which to get everything right...along with fixing leaks you see along the way....lol but damn dan you move pretty quick for having shitty weather looks good and keep it going.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 03:20:46 AM / 01-Mar-10
LOL  Dan isnt a pansy.  He does that shit.  I avoid it.  I'm a pansy.   But the main reason, I hate the cold with a passion.  But I do agree, fixing a car in the rain is not fun.  I have had to do random stuff like that, though not to the extent you described.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: rage on 02:03:07 AM / 02-Mar-10
lol 2 days?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 05:11:08 PM / 12-Mar-10
I demand more pics and progress.  Cannot wait till I can see your car in person.  It's been a while now.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: D-sport S12 on 04:01:36 AM / 13-Mar-10
Quote from: Draconis
I demand more pics and progress.  Cannot wait till I can see your car in person.  It's been a while now.
+1 will have to make a s12 dopeness meet sometime
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 10:40:17 PM / 15-Mar-10
updates.

Brand new 3/8" nickle plated fuel lines and fittings.
Got my turbo line fittings (banjo bolt, drain, etc).
New turbo elbow (needs customization).
Bought a hacked up rb25det harness for parts.
Radiator arriving soon, its gonna be sweet..

New blowoff valve, synapse engineering synchronic piston.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2851.jpg)

Flange mocked up to mild steel intake pipe.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2852.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2855.jpg)



This is what it SHOULD look like when welded.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2856.jpg)


Steering shaft interferes with the downpipe, my solution before with the cast elbow was to basically go ghetto style, super restrictive but it got the car running.. I plan on doing this version correctly.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2849.jpg)

I am cutting the downtube at the flange, and re-orienting it by whatever angle is needed. The wastgate tube is going to get extended and then dump to atmosphere down by the frame rail. I am going to have a shop do the welding since I dont have SS wire, and also don't want to screw this up. This setup too will be temporary as plans down the road are for a custom exhaust manifold and 3" downpipe with V band flanges all around... But all in due time.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2847.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2857.jpg)

Much progress will be made this week/weekend.. If all goes to plan, the car will start by sunday.

Cheers.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sam31183 on 12:25:07 AM / 16-Mar-10
sunday is golden gardens....
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:27:43 AM / 16-Mar-10
Waaaaait a minute, isn't it the next weekend? ie: the last weekend of march?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 12:45:24 AM / 16-Mar-10
Yes, the 28th.  Sam apparently doesnt know what week it currently is.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sam31183 on 04:54:55 PM / 16-Mar-10
oh....hahahahaha...oh man...i got another week...maybe i can get the notch waxed this weekend...
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:22:06 AM / 21-Mar-10
Tidying up loose ends.

-BOV flange welded

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2864.jpg)

-Finalized battery wiring (in trunk install)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2866.jpg)

-Bolted in exhaust system and turbo (minus ONE oil feed line crush washer)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2865.jpg)

-DO NOT BE AFRAID! These wires will be re-wrapped in loom....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2863.jpg)

-Adapter harness is 80% built, there are some functions that I am not sure will work until I power it up, this has to do with the means in which power is fed to the fuel pump, also the check engine light, and a few other features.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2861.jpg)

-Tail light RE-SEAL!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2858.jpg)

-Fuel lines, could be straighter but hey at least they are new!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2867.jpg)

(both lines will have brass fittings as of tomorrow)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2862.jpg)

My radiator still hasn't arrived, but I am patiently waiting. I've got a number of things to do still, tomorrow I will connect in my fuel filter, and flex lines, plumb the oil catch can,reinstall the clutch pedal, reinstall my custom trans crossmember, connect the adapter harness/engine harness and hopefully... start the car.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:41:11 AM / 02-Apr-10
Car is insured, and on the road. The tank was FULL of sludge that I had to clean out by hand, I was able to do it without dropping the tank but it was a big pain in the ass. Me and a good friend gave a solid 48 hour push to get the car working and holy crap the amount of work accomplished.. I took no time to take photos, we were just working around the clock.. Here are some updates.

A package arrived.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2881.jpg)


Oooooo goodies.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2884.jpg)


Sweet logo!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2885.jpg)


225 bridgestone potenzas on S2000 AP1 wheels.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2877.jpg)


Flat black hood, better than blue!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2875.jpg)


Front fitment, looks fine!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2878.jpg)

The rears caused an issue I didn't notice at first. The hubs were too large on the car side, thus the wheel sat out. I tried to remedy the problem (during a long test drive) with wheel spacers.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2879.jpg)


The following resulted about 5km from my house... 4/5 studs and nuts broken and lost. A new set of ARP 50mm studs are on the way, and the wheels or hubs are to be modified to work from here on in.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2880.jpg)

Car is now working great, it is running 'base boost' of 3 psi until I can either get an aftermarket boost controller, or get the factory unit working properly.

Next steps for the car:

-Resurfaced or new rotors
-Front splitter
-Patch rust
-Speedo/Tach (currently non functional)
-Install griffin radiator
-New stainless steel downpipe (needs to be custom, steering shaft clearances are tight.

As always, it will always be a work in progress.. Its nice to have it on the road though!

Videos to come soon.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Arro on 04:51:33 PM / 02-Apr-10
I likes
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sam31183 on 05:59:54 PM / 02-Apr-10
is that the same rad setup that draconis was selling thru up garage or a different one?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:05:20 AM / 05-Apr-10
IMMEDIATE ROADTRIP!

Tofino BC, surfing adventure.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0048.jpg)

And some pixelated shit:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0038.jpg)

-dan

Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 01:55:22 AM / 05-Apr-10
Same, that is a different radiator than what I have.  It is very similar to the one that is being made up for the S12 that I have over at UP Garage, but there has to some adaptation needed.  But like everyone was arguing about the ones I am having made up, this is basically the same design, so it shows that what I'm having made up is legit and quite capable.

Dan, like the logo.   I'll take credit for it seeing it was my last name and all.  Glad to see that you got her running and finalized.  A little later than planned, but same with mine.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:15:15 AM / 05-Apr-10
Colin, I got her running right on time though! It was up and about for golden gardens, I just decided not to go due to weather and the early wake up!

Rad *should* be going in this week.. As with new front lower control arms.. Maybe this coming weekend I will tackle the new downpipe.. Shiiiiiit.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: iliRandyili on 02:16:11 AM / 05-Apr-10
Lol since when dose anything just go on with out modifing on the s12?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: TurboNotch on 06:40:21 PM / 15-Apr-10
ZG flares ftw
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Draconis on 11:45:03 PM / 15-Apr-10
Yeah, those were talked about concerning my car... those and ripping the fenders off my 944 and putting them on the s12. lol
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Xano on 10:25:14 PM / 20-Apr-10
Quote from: Draconis
Yeah, those were talked about concerning my car... those and ripping the fenders off my 944 and putting them on the s12. lol
for the love of god please dont do that.

Also, dude your car is hot, i like it way better than 99% of the S12's ive seen.  The only one i like more would be Hessu's from eastern europe.  and thats saying something, cause i generally hate notches.  The black with the flares and mismatched wheels, along with boards on top of it like that, it just looks fun and crazy.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sam31183 on 10:45:36 PM / 20-Apr-10
have you seen my notch lately xano?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 07:17:03 PM / 21-Apr-10
Thanks for all the kind words gentlemen!



Here is some food for thought:

Rb26dett bore diameter: 86.0mm
RB25det bore diameter: 86.0mm
RB26dett connecting rod bearing inner diameter: 51.000mm / 2.0079in

Honda B16 connecting rod bearing inner diameter:  45.000mm / 1.7717in

RB25det factory bore: 86.0mm
RB25det factory stroke: 71.7mm
RB25det factory displacement: 2498cc

Displacement = Stroke * [ 3.14159 * (Bore / 2)^2 ] * [# of cylinders]

71.7mm * [ 3.14159 * (86.0mm / 2)^2 ] * 6 = 2498mL (cc)

Now, hypothetically if you were to take an RB26dett crankshaft, and machine the inner journal of each connecting rod's bearing surface to accept a honda bearing you could create an interesting thing..

So let's do a quick calculation, what is the difference between the RB26 and B16 journal diameter.

51.000mm - 45.000mm = 6mm

So let's take ~6mm off the inside of the journal (very rough estimate). Now or connecting rod center axis is moved.

So at TDC the journal center is +6mm, and BDC the journal center is -6mm. Effective stroke increase: 12mm.

Let's rule out any other issues such as oil pan baffle clearance, oil squirter clearance, and block clearance due to additional rod angle.

Let us also allow for the installation of a ~12mm spacer plate between the block and head, with pressed in iron sleeves.

So, stroke is +12mm, cylinder head chamber volume wasn't even factored in (again, very rough calculation).

98.0mm * [ 3.14159 * (86.0mm / 2)^2 ] * 6 = 3416cc

Now that number looks huge, and it is. But it is theoretical for the following reasons:

-Removing 6mm from the outermost edge of a crank journal is not advisable. I would be looking at 2mm to 4mm at max
-Though the center point is changing, the true 'stroke' may not work out as exactly double of that amount, it may be a percentage of it.
-Due to clearance issues, the upper stroke limit may be more strict than anticipated.. heavy block modifications and custom oil pans are not being considered.
-Excessive rod angle is never a good thing, the plans may be slimmed down to avoid this problem

The 'head spacer' is not a new idea. Big block chevy guys have been doing it for years, OS Giken (one of the most respected japanese tuners) even released a kit for the RB26.. However mine would be custom. Think of something like a head torque plate.

Lots of thought will go into this build, harmonic balancers, lightweight rotating assemblies, and crank nitriding are all a must.

This is a better financial option than building up an RB30e block as it would require fitment of oil squirters, the crank is not forged steel, there are fewer internal casting braces, and shipping rates are insane.

So hopefully, in the next year or so there should be some progress made on a motor build with the end goal to bring engine displacement >3.2 liters, hopefully something like an RB33DET.

Cheers.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Xano on 12:21:07 AM / 22-Apr-10
Quote from: sam31183
have you seen my notch lately xano?
I have, but flat black with surf boards on top beats it out, no offense.

i dunno, im still wary on notches in general, they've always looked off to me, it just looks mean but fun in the pictures with boards on top of the car haha.

3.4L inline 6 would be odd, personally i'd like to see a 4.0L HO AMC Jeep engine in one of these cars, and I MAY make that happen eventually
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Redneck on 12:56:35 AM / 22-Apr-10
Quote from: RB25sx - SLPR
Colin, I got her running right on time though! It was up and about for golden gardens, I just decided not to go due to weather and the early wake up!
Don't worry you didn't miss much.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sam31183 on 04:48:13 PM / 22-Apr-10
i did see a couple s13s with zip tied unpainted body kits....that was pretty baller...
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: TurboNotch on 06:05:33 PM / 22-Apr-10
Quote from: Xano
i dunno, im still wary on notches in general, they've always looked off to me.
that's funny cause I've always said the same thing about hatches.


now as for the 3.3L idea. seems like a lot of machine work. do you have connections that will pull the price way down? have you compared the cost of doing that versus using an rb30et block?

note:i say this with no knowledge whatsoever of the availability of said block.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: sam31183 on 07:13:41 PM / 22-Apr-10
I loved hatches when i first saw them...and disliked notches when i first saw them...notches have grown on me...especially mine...there is something about the se lip/sideskirts + hoshinos + jdm clear corners...its all win really.

This idea sounds cool btw if the machining can be done...
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 06:28:06 AM / 21-Aug-10
Car is now a drifter. Currently slammed on 18's in the rear, took off the questionable fender flares, and me and my friends began doodling all over the damn thing. Here are some shots of our journey to the track about 2 hours north of here:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0244.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0245.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0242.jpg)

I somehow blew my welded diff apart, and it is now functioning as an open diff - which makes no sense.. I was able to drive 150km on it though! So no complaints.

If there are action shots that others took, I will post those soon.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: IggyEGuana on 01:51:45 PM / 21-Aug-10
sweet!

weird with the diff but that can happen if u just weld the side gears to the housing and didnt penatrate deep.  gotta weld spider gears to side gears always. max heat

how was the drifting in it?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:32:45 PM / 21-Aug-10
Quote from: IggyEGuana
sweet!

weird with the diff but that can happen if u just weld the side gears to the housing and didnt penatrate deep.  gotta weld spider gears to side gears always. max heat

how was the drifting in it?

Car has controllable snap back, which is nice. However, theres lots of suspension play and brake shudder. I think its the rear subframe mounting points/bushings beginning to let go. I also dont have sway bars - at all. Just very stiff springs and dampeners in the rear set to stiff. Also, the loads of power definitely helps

-dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: BattleFairy on 12:51:30 PM / 23-Sep-10
its sucks so hard
why everyone can fit his radiator without problems and i run in such trouble?

why did my one not fit :-(
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:10:32 PM / 23-Sep-10
You must have built the engine mounts to place the motor too far forward. There is about 3/8" between my firewall and cylinder head.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: celestialsilvia on 02:51:56 PM / 23-Sep-10
any tips on getting the rust off your front strut towers? mine is getting EATEN, im afraid itll let go catastrophically.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:01:05 PM / 23-Sep-10
Wire wheel the whole area, weld in patch panels, rust converter the whole area, seam sealer, then anti-rust paint.. It will outlive the car. If you use flux core mig wire, be sure to grind the welds very well since the flux is an oxidizer.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 06:06:33 AM / 18-Oct-10
Drift competition was today, smacked a curb in a tightening radius going about 60km/h - totalled the lower control arm, toe arm, hub/spindle, and my stance coilover is leaking fluid. Replaced the LCA and somehow got the car home under its own power. Pictures to follow.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Maxpow on 03:02:10 PM / 18-Oct-10
Damn! Get us them pics!
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:29:48 AM / 19-Oct-10
This might give some clue as to the damage..

Brace for impact:

(http://speedhero.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/0262-p1100610.jpg)

The result:

(http://speedhero.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/0086-p1100615.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: tommy on 07:10:26 AM / 19-Oct-10
Damn, you just found the proper way to deal with the stupid negative camber... you just over did it I guess... :p 

Seriously, I hope you didn't bend the subframe or any mounting brackets... should be fairly easy to fix with a quick trip to the local junkyard... you were running a s-13 rear conversion? Right?
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: Arro on 12:43:19 AM / 20-Oct-10
gonna merge this all together.
Title: Re: RB25-S12 Extreme Build
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:59:08 AM / 20-Oct-10
A view downwards onto the control arms:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2944.jpg)

A view of what is left of the boot, and the axle:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2945.jpg)

The toe arm:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2943.jpg)

The scoring in the strut was caused by the axle wobbling about.. It is superficial damage.. I have removed the shock body, and it seems to be fine as no seals are weeping and it has consistent dampening:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2947.jpg)

What is left of the axle:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF2948.jpg)

I am happy that the coilover appears to be in good shape, the arms etc were all due to be replaced anyways.. I am going to be re-designing the whole rear-subframe mounting setup and using a RUST FREE subframe from the west coast. Also, this is incentive for me to patch/weld the minor frame rust I've got..

Possibly a blessing in disguise? Who knows...

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:43:35 PM / 09-Nov-10
I would like you all the meet - THE RAINBOW MAKER.

(http://speedhero.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/ct-092.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 04:08:56 PM / 09-Nov-10
Yes love that picture
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: kelso840 on 05:44:28 PM / 09-Nov-10
NO HANDS!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 09:11:41 PM / 09-Nov-10
I was in the middle of rolling my window down to stick my torso outside.. We went until both rears popped.. Hoping someone got a video!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Roof on 10:14:27 PM / 09-Nov-10
I have a whole s13 rear subframe with no rust if your looking for one?  I'm located in Sonoma.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: tommy on 11:57:04 AM / 10-Nov-10
Man are those stock s13 brakes you've got on the rear? Cuz they look bigger than the front one... time for a front brake upgrade???

Oh and nice canoe rack you got on it ;) can't wait to see picture of it riding in the trails to reach a far away lake :p lol
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:22:11 AM / 04-Dec-10
Drift damage.. My subframe literally cracked in half from that impact.. New one has been acquired and is awaiting installation.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/subframe2.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/subframe1.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: tuhsty s-12 on 04:57:42 AM / 04-Dec-10
hey dan, jus wonderin if your e-brakes work.. which cables did u use to set it up? s13,s14,z32,r32?

wut other bracketing needed to be made??

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:43:23 PM / 04-Dec-10
They do not work, trying to figure something out. Z32 rear drum e-brake, a handle out of an alfa romeo, and partially homemade cables. It will most likely fail hard.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: tommy on 07:27:45 PM / 06-Dec-10
how about hydraulic hand brake to solve that issue... but it's probably too easy for you...;) lol

Just joking with you... keep it up, fix that thing and go sling it around corners!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:29:59 AM / 07-Dec-10
I actually had a hydro e-brake, and theres a good chance I will be reinstalling one in the future.

Subframe is out of the car, I may take this opportunity to get my coilovers rebuilt even though they are only 3 years old.. It is good peace of mind for me.

Currently pricing out a RB26dett with low compression on cylinder 4 and 5 which I plan to bolt to an RB30 block.

Twin turbo or big single?

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: tommy on 05:58:24 AM / 07-Dec-10
Single big mofo for hour long lag time and a sonic boom when fully spooled ;)

That would be a monster
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: s12sweden on 07:30:39 PM / 08-Dec-10
Awesome S12 project you have mate ;)
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: tuhsty s-12 on 04:51:43 PM / 09-Dec-10
twin turbo... two healthy sized twins could net u a nine sec beast with out the lag
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:25:16 PM / 13-Mar-11
So in addition to re-doing my 240sx rear end, I also decided to finally investigate my cooling options.. Heres what happened

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3057.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3065.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3069.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3070.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3073.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3075.jpg)

Still do to:


-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Maxpow on 11:19:01 PM / 13-Mar-11
Looks sick.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Jay on 03:23:52 AM / 14-Mar-11
Got poop?
Every day of my life. Yes

PS. Did you make the roof rack? or is that from something else that you made work?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 01:47:41 PM / 14-Mar-11
custom radiator?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:06:58 AM / 16-Mar-11
Yes, griffin 'scirocco' rad.

Bought a replacement motor today, it is an "RB25det".. when in actual fact its an RB20, with an RB25 intake manifold, and t25 turbo, with RB25det spark plug cover and timing cover...

Fucking. Ripped. Off..

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: SlickS12 on 10:11:50 AM / 16-Mar-11
Wow some people choose a buck over having a little dignity.  What a joke man that sucks =\
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 02:06:08 PM / 16-Mar-11
Quote
Yes, griffin 'scirocco' rad.

like the vw car? or is it just a lineup name?


sad to hear about that crap.........
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 06:13:27 AM / 17-Mar-11
shitty to hear man. Gonna come to any D-days this year?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: methylprop on 08:01:18 AM / 17-Mar-11
looking good man.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:15:41 AM / 18-Mar-11
shitty to hear man. Gonna come to any D-days this year?

Yes, I would love to. Me an Nick Oldford should be headed up there if all goes to plan (he needs a motor, I need an e-brake etc).

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:36:29 AM / 20-Mar-11
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/s12_march2011.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 12:47:43 PM / 20-Mar-11
ROFL
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:38:50 AM / 23-Mar-11
(http://dunkanh.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img_8617.jpg)

(http://speedhero.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/dscn2039.jpg)

More videos to come? I think?

I am only in this one for a few brief moments (lots of novices, technically myself included):




-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 08:50:28 PM / 26-Mar-11
Its spring time, so it is time for 18s..


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3080.jpg)


My interior as of today:


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3082.jpg)


SPRING SPRONG!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 04:31:57 AM / 27-Mar-11
LING LING! Theres your BLING BLING!
those wheels looking MOFO huge.
btw how does the Rad perform? ive bought myself a uprated cooper scirooco Radiator-->looks pretty cute? um small? LOL
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:18:57 AM / 25-Apr-11

First time with a working e-brake, it is going to be a good season I do believe...

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Deezus on 06:08:41 AM / 25-Apr-11
I have that same wheel in my s12, and i want to replace it with an s13 wheel but i cant get the hub adapter thing out.. >:(
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: kelso840 on 09:54:21 AM / 25-Apr-11
I liked the random drag race halfway through the video.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:19:12 PM / 25-Apr-11
You mean the foot race? Lol, that was to decide 3rd since both were out of tires.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: kelso840 on 03:20:08 PM / 25-Apr-11
Haha yeah. I liked how the one dude that blew a tire in that race (lost his shoe) ended up winning.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:53:12 PM / 25-Apr-11
Lol I need to come out to watch one of these days. I see my friend Trevor made it out with the carbon fiber coup, even got a second place finish.

I love his car, Looks so fucking good.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:11:40 PM / 25-Apr-11
Haha yeah. I liked how the one dude that blew a tire in that race (lost his shoe) ended up winning.

Pete (Dark haired guy running) has actually done one of these foot races before, after both cars in the semi final CRASHED.. Interesting track days we have here in Victoria.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:35:44 AM / 03-May-11
So I bought 15 x 9 centerlines, wrapped them in 205/50/15 R compound, hammered out and pulled out fenders, strapped on a MK3 supra body kit, and lowered the car..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 12:53:15 AM / 03-May-11
What.. I need pics of that, sounds like it would be good looking
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: SlickS12 on 02:14:16 PM / 03-May-11
Centerlines are the shit, im ooking for a set right now.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:23:53 PM / 08-May-11
Deeeerrrp tires

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3121.jpg)

derp.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 10:10:08 PM / 14-May-11
herp, derp derp. Very nice sir.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:45:59 PM / 25-May-11
Car was handling very badly on monday, old dried out R compounds up front are to blame. Was very spin happy until I put a more conventional set of tires (diamond backs) up front.

Vids soon.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/s12-1.png)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/s12_1.jpg)

Credit goes out to http://speedhero.wordpress.com and http://www.bentmafk.com/ for the shots.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: SlickS12 on 12:47:59 PM / 25-May-11
Dude, what bumper diid you manage to fit on the back of ur car?  Its lookin fresh whatever it is ha
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Jordan on 05:08:41 PM / 25-May-11
Dude, what bumper diid you manage to fit on the back of ur car?  Its lookin fresh whatever it is ha


Agreed, it seems to line up really well.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:34:35 PM / 25-May-11
MK3 supra kit, the front looks mangled since I crashed it into a curb / there is very little of the original front of this car left (rebar, headlight motors, rad support)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:42:16 PM / 26-May-11
Next few projects for this car:

- Move steering rack forward to reduce ackerman
- Re-mount front sway bar
- Carefully cut and welded knuckles, no roll center adjusters yet
- Rear RUCAs and Toe arms
- New oem clutch
- Lengthen driveshaft (has never been quite long enough)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 04:33:01 AM / 02-Jun-11
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/s12_1.jpg)
 :wideeyed:

you should do a detailed post in the visual section. that rear bumper looks perfect! Details Man, we want see them :yay!:
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:29:35 AM / 12-Jul-11
Car has been painted half-panda (white/black)..

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6001/5925279384_16fe2ff99c_b.jpg)

Also, new video is up:

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 08:19:52 AM / 12-Jul-11
I thought the wagon was going over hahahaha. Car looks good
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: tommy on 10:22:43 AM / 12-Jul-11
Just spotted a member on 3tcgarage.com... the guy with the red 1st gen corolla 69 I believe...

nice vid btw
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 06:01:43 PM / 12-Jul-11
The wagon was very, very close to going over.. carbed 12a rotary power!

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 01:23:52 AM / 18-Jul-11
I need to make a island trip maybe later this summer when my s12 is running; then we need to party......
and super abnoxious exhaust on your car
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:41:35 AM / 18-Jul-11
haha, you mean the screamer pipe? Or the fact that it is still a 2.5" system?

Come to capital drift on August 1st, its gonna be rad.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Deezus on 06:17:47 AM / 18-Jul-11
Just watched a rad video with your car in it...
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 08:16:36 PM / 18-Jul-11
haha, you mean the screamer pipe? Or the fact that it is still a 2.5" system?

Come to capital drift on August 1st, its gonna be rad.

-dan

screamer pipe + needs 3" to dual 4" blast pipes

I would love to make it down on the 1st, don't see it happening though :(
just applied for a new job so we will see what happens
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:50:31 AM / 26-Jul-11
Just some casual grinding.. Correcting rear toe the difficult way.

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6146/5977195350_a387826b1c_b.jpg)

-dan

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:42:46 AM / 06-Aug-11
Within the first 30 seconds, there is some neat in-car footage of an 'incident' between me and a driver who spun out.


-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: IggyEGuana on 06:16:50 AM / 06-Aug-11
daym!

what happened to the s12?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:41:26 PM / 08-Aug-11
Pushed in the fender, cracked a tail light. I happened to have spares from a parts car - so now its all already back together. I drove the whole rest of the day like that. TWAS GOOD.



-dan

edit: Here's the footage of the crash, really quite minor damage.. the fluid on the ground came from a 1L bottle of oil I had in the trunk that got ruptured..

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Kustamogen on 11:11:21 AM / 09-Aug-11
hahaha who was the one saying "you wrote my car off" "fuckkkkkking bitch".......................haha Im assuming the other guy?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Navy_Mech2 on 03:51:07 PM / 09-Aug-11
or dont suck and spin out?? lol
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Gomesf1 on 08:12:32 PM / 09-Aug-11
or dont suck and spin out?? lol
exactly he trippin. "why so close dude?"

cuz ur ass sux do get in the ring with ali cuz u think you can box lol
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:12:18 AM / 10-Aug-11
Everyone starts somewhere, and in this guy's case - he probably didn't have enough steering lock to recover from the spin. ALSO I did smush in his minty minty fresh corolla - he's a buddy but he lost his cool a bit and we laughed about it later.

Keep drifting fun, y'know?

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Deezus on 02:28:18 AM / 10-Aug-11
I like to make an agreement with anyone i tandem with

"if we bump, its mutual. No matter what."
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 08:30:59 PM / 10-Aug-11
I like to make an agreement with anyone i tandem with

"if we bump, its mutual. No matter what."


This..... Come to D-day dan, i will tandem with you, won't get mad.
Don't bring that guy cause i will hit him on purpose to see his reaction...

lol lol, U mad bro?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:45:04 AM / 11-Aug-11
Oh dang, your car is up and running? Sweet.

I wont be at this D-day, too broke.. Renting a shop and got a new project car (will post details soon, its a RWD nissan of some variety).

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 02:05:50 AM / 11-Aug-11
well not quite running yet, hopefully have the engine built by sunday. I think i know what your new project is, according to facebook lol
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 02:25:36 AM / 11-Aug-11
I would come watch hahaha. I dont drift..... at least yet or in my current s12
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: fyneyoungstunna on 03:23:21 AM / 11-Aug-11
sucks wreck. More about body kit w/ pics.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 04:14:31 AM / 13-Aug-11
So in addition to re-doing my 240sx rear end, I also decided to finally investigate my cooling options.. Heres what happened
  • Gutted and chopped out upper rad support
  • Cut off headlight motors and solid mounted headlights into upright position
  • Built custom containment cage for intercooler and rad (all mounted with ballermatic metric hardware)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3057.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3065.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3069.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3070.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3073.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3075.jpg)

Still do to:

  • Custom front bumper rebar to hold bumper skin/crash bar
  • Mount new H4 headlights
  • Plumb some IC pipes
  • New rad hoses (have the lower, need to source an upper that will fit)
  • Clean up some wiring

-Dan


this is sick dude. really portrays what i was trying to make instead of a V mount i might be doing something similar to mine because my 1j gets hot sideways. if you dont mind.

your s12 is looking bad ass though.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:02:48 AM / 15-Aug-11
Thanks David, since doing this upgrade I have had almost no cooling issues - and when I did it was because I have a very minor headgasket leak and was running low on coolant :S . That lower bar also acts as an excellent cow-catcher and protects your IC/rad from tires, bumpers, debris etc.



So.. Not to say I am putting the S12 on the backburner, but I picked up a neat new project for a steal of a deal.. And by that I mean it was a theft recovery, hence the missing parts.. As of today I have it running and driving, still needs seats, headlights and a trunk though.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3178.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF3179.jpg)

-dan

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 01:36:13 PM / 15-Aug-11
man, i wish i lived in canada. :(
so what are your plans for the R32?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 05:53:17 PM / 15-Aug-11
id rape it on the track.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 07:25:49 PM / 15-Aug-11
It IS getting tracked.. I think it has a clutch type diff and it definitely has coilovers.. Need to delete the HICAS and put in a set of racing buckets. It is 5 bolt too so all my wheels/tires will transfer over to it no problem - I even have a set of stock R32 wheels.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 02:51:13 AM / 22-Aug-11
let me drift this lol, drifted one before, it was pretty easy but also seemed underpowered when stock
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 06:10:31 PM / 06-Sep-11
After maybe 10 laps with the skyline I got fed up with it, drove to my shop, swapped wheels, drove S12 back.. Now thats a better drift car..

S12 > skyline

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 12:37:31 AM / 07-Sep-11
ive driven some 240's and such and a few corollas but i cant get over how much fun s12's are. perfect wheelbase/weight ratio for higher hp engines.

honestly s12's take inline 6's with not to many problems. i dont really even think of all the weight up there.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 10:47:56 PM / 07-Sep-11
fuck i can't wait to drift mine again
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:38:01 AM / 16-Sep-11
(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6189/6146288105_74c6c094c9_b.jpg)

We are going to be having a private drift session day for ~6 people next week.. Should be some sick footage from that..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:47:21 AM / 23-Sep-11
Hit a 300 pound tractor tire with rear quarter, trying to get close to an amigo with a flag..

Rear quarter is fubar. Toe arms look to be bent. Car is crab walking.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 04:17:48 AM / 23-Sep-11
+1
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 05:07:59 AM / 23-Sep-11
Need any parts? I got access to 2 yard with notches. 1 85 sra Ralphs in Mitchel island Vancouver (Would love to buy and track the bitch) and 1 88 irs at Ralphs in Abbotsford
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:58:56 PM / 23-Sep-11
I'm going to be on the mainland this weekend, and equipped with skyline for getting around.. I'll have to pay those yards a visit and gather parts. Thanks for mad tips! I should also get some spare fenders.... derp.

OOOOH, we were talking about DIY widebody done via cutting out the quarters and wheel arch and then laying it on top of a hacked up rear end but spacing it out..

Or better yet, cut out most of the body metal, then overlay with plexiglass in order to get transparent over fenders..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Deezus on 07:30:04 AM / 26-Sep-11
I wish you and david could do saucy tandems together.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:49:27 AM / 13-Oct-11
http://vimeo.com/30458225


A video my buddy Cole threw together, small track day - just a few buddies sliding around. Car was weird, I hit a big tire and was running 4 bolt wheels (stock 240) on the front due to a failed 5 bolt adapter hub (Spinning studs... derp).

Oh yes.. And my car is currently stripped down to a shell and about to get rotisserie'd.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 08:31:03 PM / 13-Oct-11
you make me want to move to the island...
Was it Josh drifting the stang again?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 09:56:54 PM / 13-Oct-11
It looked good lol. Still need to take a drive over and watch. Ill probably ask Rasta if i can follow him out sometime (Maybe carry some spare tires or tools in my hatch for him).
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Gomesf1 on 11:34:14 PM / 13-Oct-11
nice....i was like sweet stang......oh wait wat nah OHHH SHYT HE DRIFTY!!!!?!?!?!?!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 11:43:22 AM / 14-Oct-11
OOOOH, we were talking about DIY widebody done via cutting out the quarters and wheel arch and then laying it on top of a hacked up rear end but spacing it out..

Or better yet, cut out most of the body metal, then overlay with plexiglass in order to get transparent over fenders..

-dan

you should do half-cut overfenders :D
kind of like how AE86s used to do with their front fenders. that way you dont need to cut anything off except the wheel lips and just lay the extra fender over it.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:17:59 AM / 26-Oct-11
Major tear down has begun...

First time the RB25 has been out since originally put in, now thanks to rad support modification I can actually pull it like a normal motor.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/IMG_0421.jpg?t=1319609044)

I've got a few ideas to stiffen up the chassis, many involve gussets, dimple dies, and braces...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/IMG_0423.jpg?t=1319609049)

Fuel cell will end up here, but this photo is just for the record (the decrepit state of my trunk.. ghastly)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/IMG_0430.jpg)


The car is already almost completely gutted, everything forward of firewall is removed including suspension.. Rear subframe is being dropped this weekend, and then I will build my chassis rotisserie and spit roast the car.. :)

So far, the items that have made it onto the shortlist are:

-Tubbing out front fender wells (More caster, more angle)
-Tucking wire harness (so no rubbing)
-Deleting non essential circuitry in the main chassis harness
-Relocating the motor backwards roughly 5 inches
  -Major firewall modification
  -Possible new exhaust manifold required
-Install  fuel cell and clean up trunk
-Re-affix rear subframe (The last time this will be done.. Tired of ghetto fixes)
-Wire/flapper wheel the entire car, paint primer gray
-New downpipe
-Gauges! (I have been without a tach, temp gauge, oil pressure gauge for the better part of a year)

It's a long list, and it might not all get done this winter - but at least I now have shop space in which to work.. Oh, and theres a remote chance I may end up with megasquirt, and an RB26 - but that would spread my finances awfully thin..

Stay 'tuned'!

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 11:48:56 AM / 26-Oct-11
megasquirt for the win!
but be aware that fitting a 36-1 triggerwheel on a RB pulley is a fucking nightmare ;-)
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:25:59 PM / 26-Oct-11
We're going to get tricky with pulleys.. I have a machinist friend who is going to machine the ridge for the AC belt on the pulley to be a 36-1 toothed wheel.. No need to bolt anything to it, just make a bracket to hold the sensor. :S

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:50:18 PM / 26-Oct-11
Damn cant wait to see the final result
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 03:08:19 PM / 27-Oct-11
We're going to get tricky with pulleys.. I have a machinist friend who is going to machine the ridge for the AC belt on the pulley to be a 36-1 toothed wheel.. No need to bolt anything to it, just make a bracket to hold the sensor. :S

-dan

cant wait to see your solution....
but honestly the RB pulley sucks pretty hard in my ghetto magnet test

;-) dont forget to use your ac bracket as mounting point for your sensor :-D
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:01:29 AM / 02-Nov-11
Picture dump! Haven't had a massive planning session, but soon I will be taking a flapper wheel and paint stripper to essentially the entire chassis.. Once stripped, rust repair is first on the list, then firewall modification and engine test fitting...

Exciting times. And I pose a question.. If a motor is 100% behind the front shock towers - does that technically make the car mid-engined?? 



Almost bare shell

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3202.jpg)

Soon to be heavily modified firewall and fender wells.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3204.jpg)

She has not been out in years..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3206.jpg)

I'm investigating a wilwood pedal box, and relocating my accelerator pedal. Reason? Clean up the firewall, more room for turbo manifold, and possibly dual brake master cylinders.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3209.jpg)

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 07:15:20 PM / 02-Nov-11
Damn. Making quick progress. "100% behind the front shock towers"< Just what the fook are you up to??? You going back to black or staying white???
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:21:54 PM / 10-Nov-11
Brakes.

Good chance (budget depending) that I will be going with an inboard wilwood pedal box, and I want to know before hand exactly what I am getting myself into here..

The current system is a blend of S12, S13 and Z32 brake components. List as follows:

-S12 pedal assembly and 10" brake booster (Pedal ratio is: 5:1)
-240sx front calipers
-Z32 rear calipers (twin piston)
-S12 15/16" brake master cylinder


Z32 specs are as follows:

Master cylinder: 1"

300ZX front brakes:
- Four piston fixed caliper
- 40.45 piston diaeter
- 324mm diameter rotor
- 50mm wide pad

300ZX rear brakes:
- Two piston fixed caliper
- 38.1mm diameter piston
- 297mm diameter rotor
- 36.5mm wide pad

front brake bias  = 70.3%
rear brake bias = 29.7%


The problem at hand is that the wilwood brake setup offers a choice of master cylinders as well as pedal ratios. To further complicate matters the brake booster will also be deleted, which means that if I am to have brakes that function AT ALL I'll need to do some careful calculations.

The goal here is to correctly size the master cylinder (the smallest possible, without losing the ability to move enough fluid to actually compress the calipers). The pedal box I am looking at uses dual master cylinders with an optional balance bar. This particular one has a pedal ratio of 6.25:1

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/WIL-340-3342/

(http://static.summitracing.com/global/images/prod/large/wil-340-3342_cp.jpg)

More to come on master selection, suspected braking torque levels, and clamping force.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 06:52:36 PM / 10-Nov-11
wooooooooooooooh.
those pedals are sexy!

keep us updated! :D
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:12:31 PM / 21-Nov-11
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/s12_slammed.jpg)

Dropped a nickle, bent to pick it up - and when I looked up again DAMNIT.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 03:17:11 PM / 21-Nov-11
Quote
More to come on master selection, suspected braking torque levels, and clamping force.

-Dan
 
 
 

the pedal assembly you are looking at is there enough room or will they move the assembly and effect the seating and steering wheel distance will it feel awkward. i was thinking of going with a NEAL floor mounted pedal assembly with hyd thottle. even thought of using a under floor pedal assembly but i would have to raise leg area floor 2" so the long narrow booster would not hang below frame rail keep us informed on what you do here i am really interested
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 07:17:43 PM / 21-Nov-11
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/s12_slammed.jpg)
(http://smiliesftw.com/x/wackit.gif)
fuck tire wear.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:09:18 PM / 28-Nov-11
FF

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/transverse_rb.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 05:24:14 AM / 29-Nov-11
What the fuck. I am going to have to c0me out there to try to wrap my head around your project
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Colonel Gustard on 08:33:09 PM / 29-Nov-11
first fwd s12?!?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 08:34:37 PM / 29-Nov-11
wtf? did this just turn into a volvo build????
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: fastest sideways ground speed on 07:04:48 AM / 08-Dec-11
way toward the beginning of this thread you said you were going to need a longer throttle cable. what cable did you end up using?

this thread brings severe amounts of motivation! I'll be following suit very soon. I already have my engine I'm just waiting until I start my new job next month and then I'll be doing some serious work with many questions for you and colin.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:16:33 PM / 08-Dec-11
I ended up using an S14 cable that I actually got from Colin, it's longer and does the trick nicely.

More pics tonight hopefully.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:02:43 AM / 11-Dec-11
Cutting out floor pans.. What a marvelous time!

Firewall, a bit of a cut...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3222.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3223.jpg)



Bare shell:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3225.jpg)

So many god damn spot welds.. I highly recommend a spot weld cutter, and don't get a cheap one as I have learned.. Eastwood makes a good one.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3229.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3231.jpg)


Fuel cell placement, the dotted lines will be cut out, and replaced with a flat sheet, then an incision made and tank support straps sunken down.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3226.jpg)

Progress is much slower than I expected, but I would rather take my time and do it correctly this time around... At the end of the build a sizable part of the floor pan will have been cut out and replaced..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Draconis on 02:34:07 AM / 11-Dec-11
If I remember correctly, that was the same cable I used for my RB20 when I had it with a front facing intake from Plazmaman (Australian product). I forget what I'm using now but it's either an S12 or S13, both of which are shorter.

Nice to see you working on this again Dan. If things permit, may be making a visit up there next summer. Got heaps planned but I do know I need to visit you since you're not coming down any time soon. :p
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 07:45:36 AM / 11-Dec-11
most body supply shops carry the spot weld cutters as you said do not buy cheap ones because they only get 5 or 6 welds and then they are junk would be nice if they made a sharpner for them. i noticed some lines on your strut towers are you planning on work there? we are putting the fuel cell in the same place you are and are going to try to use the fuel door on the car so we dont have to fill on the inside is this your intention also?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 12:33:09 AM / 12-Dec-11
we need to tandem someday!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BoostedVG on 11:36:24 AM / 12-Dec-11
So many god damn spot welds.. I highly recommend a spot weld cutter, and don't get a cheap one as I have learned.. Eastwood makes a good one.
I love Eastwood. Its hard not to spend money when I go there. Project is looking good keep it up.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:19:46 PM / 13-Dec-11
we need to tandem someday!

There will be tandems inside those tandems, like some kind of infinite tandem loop.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: KevinJDM on 03:20:54 PM / 13-Dec-11
There will be tandems inside those tandems, like some kind of infinite tandem loop.

while(tandem = true)
   System.out.println("TANDEM");
// You're welcome.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:48:08 AM / 23-Dec-11
Much cutting, drilling etc..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3257.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3253.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3256.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3255.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3254.jpg)

Need to plan out how I am going to go about building this floor.. It is going to have to be assembled in pieces.. It shall be a very interesting learning experience. I am somewhat upset at all the rust but happy that I will have the opportunity to chop it all out and replace it properly with new steel.

At this point my primary concerns are getting the motor placement correct, and making sure the chassis is square.. I've done my best to make sure it was level and true, but it got bumped around while trying to put the drivetrain back in (very large, and awkward piece an RB25 with trans is)..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:21:10 AM / 23-Dec-11
Holly crap, Thats quite a work load! Hope the final result works out as planed.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 04:35:11 AM / 23-Dec-11
i think i would have put a couple of temp cross braces in before i cut that much floor out. i think the hard part will be tying the the two sub frame rails back in to the structure. it seems when you drill out spot welds you drill thru both panels when we drill out spot welds with the cutter we just drill thru the first panel is there a reason for this because i would think you could just use a drill bit if you were going to drill all the way thru
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:56:37 AM / 23-Dec-11
Reason is: My spot weld cutter sucked, and broke after the first 20 spot welds. I switched to drill bits.. The panels were so rusty it almost didn't even matter..

As for chassis square-ness.. The shell is a piece of crap anyways, at the end of the day as long as the doors close properly and the car drives straight(ish) I will be happy. Drift cars are almost always broken and bent in some way.

Realistic goals!

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 05:12:26 AM / 23-Dec-11
i didnt understand you just building it for a track car (old age i guess) i would plate the inner rocker rails with 1/8" steel plate then build two cross braces to go across the top of trans with square tubing these can be mitered no bending needed and you can tie the sub frames into it and then just add cross bracing if you build a good sub frame then you could just use 16ga sheet metal for the floor
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 02:39:09 PM / 24-Dec-11
motor placement....the big thing i look at is angle from front to back and side to side. what we do is find the vehicle that the engine came in and using a magnetic protractor get the degrees of both angles and copy them with the new install. when they design these engines they factor in the angle it will be sitting. i try my best to copy that   
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:02:33 PM / 25-Dec-11
As far a motor positioning goes, I will be letting the factory 240 crossmember determine the tilt of the motor (Its rotational position when looking at the motor straight on from the front).. This will remain unchanged, RBs tend to list clockwise (towards the exhaust side) by 5 degrees or so. As for the pitch of the motor (relative height of the tail end of the trans).. It will be at a slight downward angle - roughly 2 to 3 degrees.. This is largely due to the requirement for the driveshaft bearings to be flexed to promote greasing. Also, pinion angle needs to be taken into consideration as they need to cancel out any possible harmonics... So if the trans is down 2 degrees, the subframe will be positioned upwards 2 degrees (or more specifically the differential snout).

I've got 20 feet of 1"x2" 1/8" tube that I will be using the brace the floor and create a trans mount similar to the one you describe..  I am also going to extend the frame rails back to the rear subframe pickup points (Or as close to it as I can get).

At the end of the day, if I end up ruining this shell I am ok with that.. It is all a learning experience.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 11:52:17 PM / 30-Dec-11
keep us updated!!! any info on cutting s12's up is what i need at the moment!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: seishuku on 11:55:04 PM / 30-Dec-11
I'm interested in seeing how your fuel cell works out, I might do something like that down the road... I'm getting tired of my pump sucking air below 1/4 tank. :lol:

Though I was just going to cut out the spare well, I didn't really think of the whole rear pan... But I guess you wouldn't really need the old access hole anymore, huh.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:44:40 AM / 02-Jan-12
R33s, cardboard mockups.. etc..


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3265.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 03:11:19 AM / 02-Jan-12
Holly crap that is far back! Is that going to make the shifter in an odd spot tho?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 04:43:02 AM / 02-Jan-12
looks pretty cool

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:15:23 AM / 03-Jan-12
Holly crap that is far back! Is that going to make the shifter in an odd spot tho?

Haha.. Maybe. Motor is back roughly 6 inches.. Car is getting a wilwood pedal box among other things. I may have to space the steering wheel back and down with some hub spacers, but I am not too worried about it. I will however almost be driving from the back seat since I am roughly 6'4".

 Planning an exhaust tunnel to tuck the exhaust nice and high into the floor pan of the car, and to avoid getting it caught on things.

Big things to happen this weekend.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 03:33:10 AM / 03-Jan-12
If i ever finish getting my car ready i would be up to maybe take a rid out durring the break in of my motor just to see the car :D. I am only 5"8 so i sit almost all the way forewords hahaha, My best friend is your height and he always has the seat pretty far back so i understand now, The shifter should be pretty close to being in the comfortable area
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: derek king on 11:58:43 AM / 03-Jan-12
this is all kinda of cool stuff
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Jeremy A on 12:03:28 PM / 03-Jan-12
this is all kinda of cool stuff


 :woow:,        X2  :grinwink:
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 03:35:11 PM / 03-Jan-12
with as far back as you got that you could run a floor mounted pedal box and rest your legs on the floor pan :cool2:
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:28:15 PM / 08-Jan-12
Anyone have any experience with Oil accumulators? Specifically what components are needed for installation, recommended placement etc..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 01:17:13 PM / 08-Jan-12
Accusump makes a kit for about $300.00 you could mount accumulator on the strut tower. are you running baffles in your oil pan? have you starved the motor of oil while drifting?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:50:01 AM / 13-Jan-12
Goodies arrived from summit....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3267.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3269.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3270.jpg)

lets get this party started.. or something.

-dan

Post Merge: [time]04:52:58 AM / 13-Jan-12 [/time]
Oh yeah.. And thats my dog that I got about a month ago.. She's a rescue dog, a purebred german shepherd. Her name?

Manji

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/manji.jpg)

-dan

Post Merge: 05:20:28 AM / 13-Jan-12
Holly crap that is far back! Is that going to make the shifter in an odd spot tho?

Not when you are driving from the back seat.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 05:43:48 AM / 13-Jan-12
i have never seen that pedal box from Tilton... if you could show a picture of the top of the pedals. are you going with the remote bias control? it looks like a really nice assembly
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:01:51 AM / 31-Jan-12
No, no remote bias for now.. I will just manually set it. I'll have more photos as I start to build the mounting rails, and install them in the car, etc.

In other news.. The rear subframe from a Q45 has the exact same measurement (center to center on the mounting bushings) as an IRS S12. If it were the same length as an S13 subframe this would mean the wheel position would be pulled forward a matter of inches (A ridiculous amount of cutting would follow).. However, it also appears to be LONGER by a few inches (as compared to an S13).

This could mean there is a remote possibility that with the exception of the rear mounts (which are easier to do, IMO) the Q45 subframe may simply drop in. I will know by this weekend.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: CamInHead on 06:14:34 AM / 31-Jan-12
Fingers crossed! Have you considered modifying the subframe ? I've often wondered if it were possibile - I doubt it's any more extreme than cut and shut suspension arms. :)
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:03:34 AM / 01-Feb-12
My first version of the S13 subframe swap was done that way, modified it to the S12 mounts.. It worked quite well until I destroyed it on a curb and needed to redesign the whole enchilada.

So, it appears the Q45 subframe was close, and while it COULD be made to work quite easily, I opted not to due to time constraints and the ready availability of S13 parts.

Some comparison shots of the two:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3279.jpg)

The Q45 subframe loosely  fitted. You can see the front diff mount 'member' is far to thick and hit the floor pan. On an S12 with a long snout diff, this area is much thinner overall..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3280.jpg)

Rear mounts dont line up much better than S13 either.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3281.jpg)

Oh yes, and as you can see - we have flipped the car..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3274.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3275.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF3276.jpg)

Fixing rust holes, mounting the subframe, coaxing my floor pan into place, and plumbing fuel and brake lines will be the name of the game while the car is inverted.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 02:22:12 AM / 01-Feb-12
Cool, Making steady progress.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 05:19:50 AM / 01-Feb-12
did you use a rotiserie or how did you flip that girl on her back LOL
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 01:17:01 PM / 01-Feb-12
did you use a rotiserie or how did you flip that girl on her back LOL

A bunch of guys helped with that.
Dan I can't wait for some tandem at man days at western
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 12:25:14 PM / 07-Feb-12
That's awesome, my cars not upside down but I'll be able to get similar pictures with a s13 subframe
On a sra car... Ithis looks awesome keep it up !

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:41:21 PM / 07-Feb-12
David, if you're going to make your own mounting studs (the rods that are affixed to the body that the subframe bushings slide onto) I would be curious to know what you end up using.. I am going to have a machinist friend turn down a solid 7/8" steel rod to a taper, then we are going to thread the end etc..

Beginning the install of the fuel cell..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/fuel_cell.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Johnny_boi on 06:10:18 PM / 22-Feb-12
I'm going to keep my eye on this

Keep up the good work
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:10:56 PM / 05-Mar-12
Not really related to the build of my S12, but I've been sliding a rotary powered corolla wagon (A TE72). There was an issue with fuel slosh that I hadn't been informed of, vent lines were the source of this a fire that soon engulfed the whole back end of the car. Be safe kids.

No one was hurt, and my friend Joel made a funny dubstep mashup of the incident. I can be seen screaming 'bring it' (with regards to the fire extinguisher)


-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Johnny_boi on 11:49:43 PM / 05-Mar-12
that video is hella funny.

is that your corolla?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:09:27 PM / 06-Mar-12
Yeah, it was kindly given to me by my friend Quinn. I am not allowed to wash it, paint any welds, install an interior, or any such things.

It needs a fuel surge tank though, it drains the carb bowls on corners.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Johnny_boi on 10:28:31 AM / 07-Mar-12
well please take lots of pic's on this s13 rear end swap.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:51:08 PM / 13-Mar-12
Fuel cell cage is pretty much complete:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0940.jpg)

The beginnings of a firewall engine enclosure:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0939.jpg)

We were trying to figure out the best way to determine the approximate centerline of the subframe relative to the wheel well.. I had rubbing issues last year and I want to try to at least TRY to make my car symmetrical.. Short of a chalk line or laser this was our next best idea. We measured back from the door jamb and then straight up to the wheel well, the used a ghetto 'plumb bob' to center the subframe.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0941.jpg)

Beginnings of my hydro ebrake mount, and pedal box mount which I am suprememly unhappy with - the nasty cross pieces of metal and just to hold the two sections together so they don't move independently.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0942.jpg)

Car is behind schedule, I am waiting on subframe mounting rods from a friend.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 05:17:28 PM / 13-Mar-12
something you might try is bolted front subframe back in and measuring from center of hub back to center of rear hub and use the stock wheel base measurment

i really think what you are doing is interesting
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:44:44 PM / 14-Mar-12
Thanks!

I threw out the original rear subframe about 6 years ago. And wheelbase (as in length of car overall) comes second to the subframe being square in the car and the wheels sitting relatively centered. Also, it looks like to tuck the subframe up as high as I can I will need to cut, notch, and rebuild the frame rails (an 8" section) - which is not really a big deal considering the extent of metal already replaced on the car.

Also, on S13s when you lower them there is a tendency for the rear upper control arm to rub the strut/coilover. I want to try to negate this effect while maintaining a reasonable pinion angle. Last thing I need is a strut binding into a control arm, or my u-joints bursting.

Was looking at the front end of the car, and thinking about how much I would like to just tube the whole front - but there is no time for that. I am optimistically hoping to have the car moving under it's own power by June 1st (Thats 2012).

Things yet to do:

-Actually mount rear subframe
-POR 15 entire underbody
-Seam sealer
-Prime entire shell
-Rotate car right side up
-Build fuel system from scratch
-Mount pedal box
-Plumb clutch and brake lines (entirely new lines needed)
-Create throttle linkage
-Mount seats
-Install harnesses (May require harness bar)
-Fabricate exhaust manifold
-Fabricate 3" downpipe
-Shorten driveshaft
-Finalize oil pan welding (sump was relocated)
-Extend oil pickup
-Shorten S13 knuckles to match relocated steering rack, minimizing bumpsteer, 0 ackerman
-De pin and reloom remaining sections of chassis wiring harness
-V mount rad/intercooler
-Paint?

Hahahaha. The list is ridiculous, and no one in their right mind would try to have it done by June.. But I am not of sound mind - so here we go.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 01:09:43 PM / 14-Mar-12
I have faith, it can be done
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:49:43 PM / 14-Mar-12
Jesse, have you seen how fast Shawn B is tubing his FC?

What I would do for a plasma cutter, car lift, and tube bender.. hahah, it would make my life infinitely easier.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 06:29:40 AM / 15-Mar-12
All i can say is good luck! You got quite the plateful. I Have to see this car once its done LOL
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:10:46 PM / 16-Mar-12
Subframe mounting studs are done!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/418145_10150589216951712_505331711_9145723_1478539485_n.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Sean_howell1 on 02:54:33 PM / 16-Mar-12
^^ wow beautiful. :)
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 03:31:55 PM / 20-Mar-12
this is looking great man, see it through!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:04:00 PM / 20-Mar-12
Def awesome!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: D-sport S12 on 10:13:51 PM / 20-Mar-12
I just want to come down there, crash my car, and drink beer
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:52:38 PM / 27-Mar-12
Business Casual

For those of you on facebook, like my team's page! https://www.facebook.com/WhereTheOfficeMeetsTheStreets

We're doing some pretty neat fab things, lovin' old corollas, and sliding about like fools.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:34:27 AM / 29-Mar-12
joined. I see Trevor is already joined there lol, no surprise
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:54:42 PM / 04-Apr-12
Oh hai.. Those look like subframe mounts in their final position. Could it be?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/subframe.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:35:21 AM / 06-Apr-12
PHOTO DUMP.

So using some math, a level, hammer, tape, measuring tape, and angle grinder we aligned and installed the subframe..

The FSM is useful here since it has OEM body alignment points that you can first check then use as a reference. The trickiest things to find A) The center line of the car B) the wheel well center (something that is open to interpretation).

Ultimately I wanted it to be level, centered (within reason.. Wheel spacer?), and not toed in on one side and out on the other like it was previously.


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0009.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0011.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0012.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0013.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0014.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0015.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0016.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0017.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0018.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0019.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0020.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0021.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC_0034.jpg)



Would I recommend doing this? Probably not.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:30:29 PM / 01-May-12
Hurr durr, photo dump..

Car is gonna get flipped this week back to its upright position..

I HEART this car..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0968.jpg)

Fuel lines big enough to support 1000bhp, not that i'll ever need it.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0969.jpg)

-8 AN fuel system

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0970.jpg)

I also love seam sealer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0971.jpg)

Cutting out inner fenders, gonna need to patch them.. doing an agressive roll out instead of box flares.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0974.jpg)

Steering column hole, bulkhead fittings, and blanked off brake master hole.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0976.jpg)

Tilton pedal box, accelerator cantilever system built. It is a bit jank but works..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0977.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0978.jpg)

The beginnings of an all aluminium oil pan, was going to cnc the plate, but I've opted to cut out the flange on a bandsaw instead.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0979.jpg)

Overall ish

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0981.jpg)


I started my tubular exhaust manifold too, it is not going to be equal length, but will be twin scroll an as beefy as I can make it..

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: David B on 12:02:07 PM / 02-May-12
this is my favorite build ever so far, keep it up man!! cant wait to see it all rolling around, looks like youve got alot of time invested here!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:23:15 PM / 02-May-12
Car is flipped, sat in it for the first time in months.. I am 6'3" and I do not fit.. More hammering and seat purchasing is needed.

Tilton pedal box is GREAT but takes up alot of space horizontally, I would not recommend this for tall drivers.

Thanks David, and way way too much time invested...

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: nismo_200sx on 03:58:36 PM / 02-May-12
i don't understand the pedal box. why do they have a master cylinder for your throttle?
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:18:50 PM / 02-May-12
It is a brake balance bar, the front and rear braking systems are separated into two separate master cylinders. They do this in lieu of a standard master cylinder w/integrated proportioning valve which sets line pressure (typically to 70/30 front/rear). You can adjust the fulcrum of the bar, and alter the amount of leverage applied to each master cylinder, which effectively dictates the line pressure ratios. Due to all the adjustability you can actually RAISE front brake line pressure which normally would be a finite maximum and you are stuck lowering the rear line pressure.

What does all this mean? It means I could theoritically bias my brakes heavily to the rear, or go with 50/50 split. As you probably know this would be incredibly handy when drifting for scrubbing off speed. It will take me quite some time to dial it in, since I know only theoretical 'facts' about brake performance and setup.

-Dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:33:54 AM / 08-May-12
So.. Car is flipped, and I am really digging for motivation to finish this thing.. So I started slapping things onto it to make it seem more like the finish line is closer than I imagine..

S13 BN kit front bumper

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0983.jpg)

P45r 17x9.5 et25 wrapped in toyo R compounds

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0984.jpg)

Top view of my fuel cell / battery containment cage

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0986.jpg)

Engine bay stuff

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0989.jpg)

Brake and clutch line bulkhead fittings, where the booster used to be. For the record, do your research on fittings before buying ANYTHING.. Our cars are metric but metric fittings can be incredibly hard to find. Consider using 3/8 fitting on 3/16 line throughout. In this case I've gone through a -3 AN bulkhead fitting and then adapted with a tube nut and sleeve to a 3/16 line.. I had the most difficult time determining HOW TO ADAPT TO A HARD LINE. I did a shallow flare using a 45 degree flare tool (SAE), although I should have used a 37 degree flare as is the AN (JIC) standard.. But whatever, I will check for leaks. At the end of the day most of my lines will be 3/8 SAE and -3 AN, the only metric left will be on the hydraulic ebrake (which may yet be converted to SAE) and the calipers themselves.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0990.jpg)

Trans tunnel being pieced together..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/DSCF0995.jpg)

Allow me to re-iterate I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I AM DOING.. This is a best effort build, and now I am on a time crunch..

I hope to be priming the shell in the next 2 weeks, and then beginning "final assembly".. Whatever that means.

At this point, I just want to drive the shit out of this car.. It is built to take a thrashing, and a thrashing it shall receive.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: cutter67 on 02:50:46 PM / 08-May-12
i wish i was in my twenties again you and David B always put a smile on my face. i was just like you two when i was at your age. i remember being told "you can't do that" and most of the time they were right but it was sure fun trying

i really want to see you behind the steering wheel of this drifting thru some corner
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:46:56 PM / 09-May-12
Everything is a learning experience, and now looking back I would have changed a number of way I approached this. Nothing is ever done perfectly though, so I am ok with this fact.

Next orders of business:

-finalize driver and passenger positioning
-Mount drivers "tools" (ebrake, shifter hole, steering column, pedal box)
-Plumb brakes inside car (flex lines to firewall and ebrake)
-Make a harness bar
-Mount harnesses
-Prime entire shell

-Install spare motor
-Fab exhaust manifold
-Fab oil pan
-Rad and intercooler install (v mount)
-Plumb rad and intercooler

-Strip car down again
-Paint
-Install wiring
-Install good motor
- Profit???

I really want this car done by July 1st. I've been putting in super long hours and fingers are crossed that it all comes together.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 10:08:50 AM / 11-May-12
Le trans tunnel, oo la la.. C'est terrible.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0997.jpg)

Some kind of something for steering

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0996.jpg)


g-brake


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1002.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1003.jpg)


Silly straps for giggles

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF0998.jpg)


Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: motodd on 02:00:43 PM / 11-May-12
nice project.
I can't wait to see result of your job.   

Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Johnny_boi on 02:11:42 PM / 11-May-12
i love this build keep up the good work. when i get a s12 i want to do the same in the rear with the s13 rear suspenion
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 05:14:42 AM / 27-May-12
So I've been pretty busy lately.. Doing some paint work, its my first time doing all this solo - I've almost always had assistance of some kind. I've still not decided on what type of final paint I'll apply, probably a base/clear in a pearlescent white of some kind (I like the newer acura white).



So I cut on my inner fenders, and quickly threw together some metal skins to cover up the holes. Theyre not great - but they will keep my engine bay cleaner than if I had left it open..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02615.jpg)

Harness bar mostly finished, and the state of the interior.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02619.jpg)

First coat of primer

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02622.jpg)

Harness bar, primed

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02631.jpg)

My relatively cramped driver area

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02630.jpg)

Grey, grey, its all grey..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02628.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02626.jpg)

Looks like I will be able to run the stock grill and trim as long as everything goes to plan..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02638.jpg)

Other pieces I've been working on include powdercoating my intake manifold and resealing it.. Heres the basically finished product

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02639.jpg)


Needed a plate to blank off the gap between the pedal box rails, this shoul do nicely

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02637.jpg)

A custom oil pan was needed to clear the front subframe and steering rack. Aluminium was the choice metal, it is being tig welded by my amigo Warren.. These shots are of mocking it up after tacking a few pieces together.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02633.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02634.jpg)

I decided against using the fiberglass S13 bumper.. Instead I took 2 S12 bumpers, hacked them up and made a frankenstein ziptied together mess.. Here it is before paint

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02643.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02642.jpg)


Much more work yet before I am finished..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: kelso840 on 10:02:35 AM / 27-May-12
Is this even an s12 anymore? Can't wait to see it on the move.
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:54:22 AM / 28-May-12
It is some kind of bastard child. If the car performs as I hope and survives the season, I will probably end up tubing the front and rear and maybe adding in a roll cage. But everything in time, and patience is key..

I decided against going base/clear for paint and am once again going with a single stage paint. Touch ups are far easier, it is cheaper, and faster to apply.. White will once again be the color of choice (in sticking with my amigos color choices). Interior is going to remain gray, white would probably glare far far too much (even gray might be bad).

Once the engine bay sees paint, let the reassembly begin..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:49:18 AM / 01-Jun-12
Bunch of white shit fell on this car!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02648.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02650.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02647.jpg)

Reassembly begins this weekend..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: BattleFairy on 11:11:34 AM / 02-Jun-12
more details about the bumper.... i demand!
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:16:28 PM / 02-Jun-12
Sick firewall modding
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:49:16 AM / 04-Jun-12
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02656.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02659.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02662.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02663.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSC02664.jpg)


Hmmmmmmmmmmm

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:54:11 PM / 07-Jun-12
Such.. Long.. Hours..

Brakes are plumbed with all new lines/fittings, Shifter hole cut, and shifter mounted, trans and motor are fully bolted in, V-mount setup almost complete, oil pan going in for final welding, driveshaft about to be shortened 5.25" (measured and marked).

I BOUGHT GEAR OIL TODAY.. This means I am getting very very close...

This is going to have been (personally) the most difficult month or two of my life, some very tumultuous times have transpired and the whole while I have been essentially broke due to this car.. At the moment all I feel I can rely on are this car, and my dog (dogs are the best).

In a few days it will be the 6 year anniversary of when I started this build thread, and I had the car even longer than that (got it in december of 2005).. She has come a long way, and I have too.

Anyways guys. It is close.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det swapped S12 turned drift machine
Post by: Arro on 02:27:16 PM / 07-Jun-12
Wow what a long road it's been indeed... keep us posted! I've had tough times of my own before, even not all that long ago, so I know how it feels.
Title: Re: RB25det powered drift slut, a guide on how to burn money and time
Post by: David B on 12:37:38 AM / 14-Jun-12
:) keep at it! loving the progress, that drivers area does looked cramped though!
Title: Re: RB25det powered drift slut, a guide on how to burn money and time
Post by: Drft-s12 on 08:22:40 PM / 14-Jun-12
This is dope....truly one of a kind keep it up
Title: Re: RB25det powered drift slut, a guide on how to burn money and time
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:54:23 PM / 18-Jun-12
Uhhhhhh I've been doing some things...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1008.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1010.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1013.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1005.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1009.jpg)

10 days until my deadline.. Can it be done? I don't even have an oil pan yet..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: BattleFairy on 02:31:31 AM / 19-Jun-12
wow

MONSTAR SPEC
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:56:00 AM / 19-Jun-12
Damn it looks good
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 07:56:22 PM / 19-Jun-12
I've decided to not risk my investment to shit tires, mounted 4 brand new 215/45/17 GT radial champiro HPYs as 'burners'. Fronts will be 205/45/17 toyo proxes 4. I'll give a run down on how good or shit these tires were.

bring da smoke.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: D-sport S12 on 08:09:59 PM / 20-Jun-12
I here ya on the tires, definitely keep us posted on the tires..... I was looking into buying a set of champiros to burn
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Baby on 10:48:06 PM / 20-Jun-12
Christ almighty! To imagine this thing ever had a spot of rust on it seems ridiculous.
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:51:58 AM / 25-Jun-12
Tomorrow is the day I find out if this thing will sputter to life to give me another season of smoke and magic.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/s12.jpg)

My friend cole chalmers cut some dope drop vents into my hood.. le dope.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/525763_10151873768420381_300260253_n.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: D-sport S12 on 01:14:20 PM / 25-Jun-12
Sick! I want Cole to do drop vents on my hood
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:20:12 PM / 25-Jun-12
Bring an angle grinder, a measuring tape, and a marker to the DUI.. Prepare to be vented.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Jeremy A on 06:35:34 PM / 25-Jun-12
Cool!!!  I saw it on the 240posse tumblr,  badass.
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: D-sport S12 on 10:38:45 PM / 25-Jun-12
Bring an angle grinder, a measuring tape, and a marker to the DUI.. Prepare to be vented.

-dan

I'm missing the DUI, I get back from work 2 days after, not happy....
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:24:19 AM / 27-Jun-12
It runs, it drives, it leaks before the turbo like a fucking sieve.

I'll fix it in the long run but for now - I am taking a short break from this damn thing.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:28:22 PM / 19-Jul-12
Sooo..

Car is finished, but there will forever be 1000 small items to fix on it - but as of right now.. its drivable.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1025-1.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1024.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/DSCF1029.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: cutter67 on 03:59:43 PM / 19-Jul-12
 :yay!: :yay!: :yay!: :yay!: i am really happy for you great job cant wait to see first vid of smoke pouring of the back wheels
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Prolowtone on 05:43:23 AM / 20-Jul-12
Hot Damn (http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/111/561/fc338711226730417475.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 12:03:01 PM / 20-Jul-12
Bahhaha, good shit.

I built my e-brake in such a way that it was ever-so-slightly engaged, and effectively locked my rear brakes ON.. *sniff* *sniff* whats that smell? BRAKE PADS. Also, my lower rad hose was weeping on the drive home, the timing was way off so I had next to no power, my temperature gauge also decided to take a vacation.

The car is FUCKING LOW. I was scraping on sections of road that seemed to have no high spots or potholes or anything.. Speedbumps are out of the question, as is all forms of daily driving.

Suspension feels fucking tight though, like it should have a long, long time ago..

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:27:20 PM / 07-Aug-12
Car grips and grips HARD. I feel like it would almost make a better autocross car now than drift car.

 Alignment is as follows:

Front: 6.5 deg caster, -6deg camber, 0 toe
Rear: -1 deg camber, .06" toe out

Thrust is off by less than .03", which essentials mean the subframe is in STRAIGHT.


Oh, also.. I blew up my motor on saturday.. Oops. Need a new RB25, possibly RB26.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: 420-86notch on 05:06:13 PM / 07-Aug-12
dude that sux :cantlook: but such is the nature of the beast. the next one will be just as fun. keep your head up  :yes:
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Prolowtone on 09:45:58 PM / 07-Aug-12
Hope you find one. If it comes down to it I can price one at my friends shop
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:28:23 PM / 08-Aug-12
Who is your friend? Pete?

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Prolowtone on 02:33:38 PM / 08-Aug-12
Nope, West coast Hotrods in surrey, it kind of a drive.. and a ferry ride. Gonna try to stop by there before work and ill ask what they have an how much. I think they are out of 25s but have a few 26s
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: David B on 05:49:12 PM / 14-Aug-12
just buy a autoswap at a importer..

or go jz ;)
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 08:12:13 PM / 14-Aug-12
I do have a 1JZ sitting in my basement.. And I had considered it because IMO 1J > RB25

Motor might be ok, gonna drop the crank girdle and check the bearings this week. It will hurt to drain the $70 worth of royal purple though.. Ouch.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 09:49:37 PM / 14-Aug-12
Do it! :D
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Prolowtone on 07:19:39 AM / 15-Aug-12
Goodluck! hope its alright.
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:29:03 AM / 17-Aug-12
Well.. I guess TECHNICALLY it got sideways.. But it was so down on power I couldn't push wide, and it was actually cutting out mid corner as well..

Time for wideband and standalone..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/291431_10152029668760381_724238197_o.jpg)


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/200sx%20revival/621196_10152029666180381_1879529508_o.jpg)


-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Navy_Mech2 on 12:56:58 PM / 17-Aug-12
is this with another RB or the 1J you had in the basement?
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:46:29 AM / 27-Aug-12
I think that's the rb before it blew?
Post Merge
Sux that it blew pull it and rebuild it....
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 09:24:50 PM / 11-Sep-12
So. I'm buying an S14 this weekend. I've got a need to drift like no other, I still plan on fixing the S12 but this will hold me over and ensure I "Do it right" and don't just rush it.

Rod and main bearings likely all need replacement, might be able to get away without a complete rebuild.. Will probably be dropping the crank to send it for polishing and perhaps to get the oil pump drive extended (common RB problem). Block also needs a piston oil squirter replaced (may explain some oil pressure issues)..

Short list of things for this winter: clean up wiring, new turbo manifold, new turbo, stainless downpipe, wideband O2

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:18:11 AM / 19-Sep-12
The new drift whippe

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/461756_10151109639179776_1982132978_o_zpsd5c6188e.jpg)

S12 is not dead, I am just going to take my time and get that engine properly sorted.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: 420-86notch on 11:53:25 AM / 19-Sep-12
nice angle. what is the motor in the s14? lots of mods? its cool but not s12 cool  :no:
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Baby on 05:08:27 AM / 21-Sep-12
That's dope
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:30:45 PM / 30-Oct-12
Bearings are ordered, moving house into a place with it's own garage.. Small but dry space to work.

Also, le S14 le wet.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/14397_10152252668505160_1417727543_n.jpg)

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:40:41 AM / 11-Feb-13
Many improvements to the car's usability, reliability, and performance are underway..

The beginnings of a new exhaust manifold.. A ball bearing turbo of somewhat secret specs is being put into place.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/IMG_0450_zpsa663d0ef.jpg)

A small heater core, with a custom made windshield defrost plenum adapter..

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/IMG_0453_zpsc4f1a0de.jpg)

Heater core plugged into the plenum, also my new switch panel. Factory fusebox is going by the wayside in an attempt to further clean up the wiring mess.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/IMG_0451_zpsba07ee09.jpg)

FR sport completely shit the bed on my bearing order, I am still looking for bearings at the moment.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: D-sport S12 on 03:56:07 AM / 11-Feb-13
Well I'm just about to undertake some of my wiring mess with the same kind of idea as you
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 04:36:27 PM / 11-Feb-13
Fucking sick
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:51:56 AM / 13-Feb-13
I should come down to Vegas and slide with you and your fellow fellows.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 06:48:40 PM / 13-Feb-13
yes. i'd love to see an rb in action. we have a guy here that does proam with an rb s13 but its an rb20 and hes a shitty driver
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Jeremy A on 01:03:39 AM / 14-Feb-13
we have a guy here that does proam with an rb s13 but its an rb20 and hes a shitty driver

  :rofl:
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:20:29 PM / 15-Feb-13
yes. i'd love to see an rb in action. we have a guy here that does proam with an rb s13 but its an rb20 and hes a shitty driver


I don't know if you remember but when you first started drifting there was a red s14 with a rb25 in it he bought it from zilvia it was clean as shit and then he slammed the rear into the wall....
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:30:27 PM / 15-Feb-13
ya i remember that kid. his name was tyler? or something like that. that car was cleeeeean and then not.
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: Johnny_boi on 02:29:05 AM / 16-Feb-13
I knew that kid he went to school at UNR. I don't think his name was Tyler tho. Trevor maybe
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:19:14 AM / 21-Feb-13
ya i remember that kid. his name was tyler? or something like that. that car was cleeeeean and then not.

Yeah Iwas pretty pissed he wrecked such a clean car lol I know it wasn't mine or anything but it was sooooo clean
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: JakeRB200sx on 02:25:48 AM / 25-Feb-13
Man that's exciting!  :yes: I was wondering if you could throw some tips my way!? I have a 85 200sx coupe and I have a rb20det just sitting in my shop, just wondering where to start, I have so many questions its unreal. How did you get motor and tranny mounts? Pretty much how did you do your swap
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: remi_uNderdog on 03:53:16 AM / 24-Jun-13
yes i know its dead but any updates... just got through reading this for the 3rd time in the last week. START TO FINISH.
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:14:08 AM / 27-Dec-13
Hey guys, car isn't dead just in storage for now. I've made a major move and will need to bring the car out here in the near future, its a life long project for sure. I've picked up an S13 to be going on with, and using it as a test mule for some home brew suspension setups.

I did however wanted to make mention of this, for anyone who has been asking me for advice on how to install the S13 subframe - my first advice is DONT do it.. Unless you have a good dollop of fabrication experience and a good set of welding/fabbing tools..

Secondly, there appears to be this guy who is making a KIT to swap an S13 subframe into a Z31.. Worth a look!

http://www.northwestnissans.com/board/threads/123997-Project-White-Lightning-Z31love

Cheers.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: seishuku on 03:21:07 PM / 27-Dec-13
There's this guy too:
http://club-s12.org/retro4/index.php?topic=37253.msg396855
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: G-E on 02:07:28 AM / 30-Dec-13
Yea that would be me, just fyi that other kit on the NWN link doesn't exist anymore, they've discontinued it with no plans to do another batch

That's mainly why I simplified the kit to it's bare essentials, I can draw up some gusset plates and things to include in the kit, but the idea was to be able to produce them on-demand, at least the hard parts -- the market for them is fairly small, and there's no consistency to what demand there is, no one wants to get stuck with 20 unsold kits for 3yrs

Let me know if you have questions
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 04:48:55 PM / 31-Dec-13
^

Right on.

I can confirm that the better option here is to adapt the subframe to the car, I originally went this route and it was *relatively painless* however once you start cutting up floor pans to adapt a subframe to the chassis you are in a world of hurt.

I went this route as I wanted to be able to swap subframes in case of damaging the one that is in there, but in retrospect the likelyhood of shattering a subframe like I once did before is low - unless I find my way into a tall curb, with a strong wheel - yet again.

Limiting factors here are someones welding abilities, and knowledge of geometry.

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: AlEx_RaCiNg666 on 12:13:53 PM / 13-Jan-14
Take a look at my build thread.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/14/ty7uha5y.jpg)

Alex.
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 02:22:34 AM / 03-Feb-14
^ Looks good man! I really like how the cage is tied into the suspension pickups points - ALL of them. :)

I've been playing around with making my own suspension arms, gussets, etc.. I have no welder at my current shop as I am somewhat in transit in a house-sitting situation.

Heim joint spacers, custom machine from old bushing inserts:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/husky%20smashington/IMG_0223_zps1da1e3a4.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deanchromier/media/husky%20smashington/IMG_0223_zps1da1e3a4.jpg.html)

4 bolt drift spares:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/husky%20smashington/IMG_0227_zpsca87acbd.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deanchromier/media/husky%20smashington/IMG_0227_zpsca87acbd.jpg.html)

DIY traction arms, and toe arms, FLCA extensions and gussets:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/husky%20smashington/IMG_0228_zpsaa94af23.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/deanchromier/media/husky%20smashington/IMG_0228_zpsaa94af23.jpg.html)


Cant wait to crash this S13 into some buddies.

-dan
Title: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: AlEx_RaCiNg666 on 04:45:42 PM / 11-Feb-14
Where you will put theses tractions bars?
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 01:42:55 AM / 13-Feb-14
They do kind of look like 4 links don't they!

No they are Toe arms and Traction Rods for the S13 rear subframe. I have the bracket bolted on the heim end just so I won't lose the pieces. The toe arm rod needs shortening by about an inch, and the traction rod arm about 1/2".

They should hopefully be all together this weekend!

-dan
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 03:41:56 AM / 07-May-14
It has been a long winter, but the snow has melted and the fun shall soon begin.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v230/deanchromier/IMG_0455_zps2be512d9.jpg)
Title: Re: RB25det, June 28th deadline - no sleep until completion. then beer.
Post by: DoctorDatsun on 07:59:35 PM / 04-Mar-17
Holy hell, what a journey you and your car have been on! I tip my hat to you for your incredible work. In just over a year when I graduate from school I will be embarking on a similar journey with my '86 hatch and (prospectively) an RB20 or 25. Your thread, as well as Colin's, added much excitement, and have me counting down the days until I can fully dive into the build...  :yes:

Do you have any further updates on the car? I know this thread hasn't been posted in for quite a while, however I'm entirely too curious to bite my tongue...