Hello, I am planning to do a swap into a 200SX and I have two choices of engines within my price range. It seems that the CA18DET and the RB20DET would both cost me about $1200 (S+H included) or $1800 (S+H included) for the front clips. Either way, if I go for the CA18, I'll have close to 50/50 weight distribution, the car will be lighter and the installation will be way easier whereas with the RB20, I'll be up about 40HP and have a fairly unique swap, but the car would be a bit front heavy. Though, I've never done a swap before, my dad is good with cars and I have plenty of time this summer, so the installation won't be a huge problem, but what I am wondering is how much the handling will be affected with all that weight at the front. Since I've always been a finesse over brute force kinda guy, I'm not so sure if it's worth the risk putting it in there. I don't want it to handle like a mule on skates. Anyway, what's your guys' opinion on these swaps... I'm not quite sure what to go for.
KA24DETT
The KA series? Nah, I prefer engines that weren't carved out of stone by angry mexicans.
u want a "unique" swap... well theres lots of ca18det swaps and a couple rb20s. not alot of options if u wanna be unique. could do a rb26 or try to do a twin turbo ka24
True enough, but then you're back to the weight issue. I can't say I've ever driven a S12 with a big engine up front, but I've driven a RX-7 with a LS1 and let me tell you, that understeer gets scary.
Does anyone have approximate weight of some of these engines?
From what i've read the LS1 is comparable in weight then the 13B tt because of all the extra crap the tt has on there for the sequential system. I can't confirm that of course.
Like you said it'll be a toss up between capacity vs handling, what are your aims with this car? Will it have to make more power then the CA18DET can produce and so on?
also if you go rb20 you will have to have custom mounts made, and you will have a lot less engine bay space. The rb20 looks kind of cramped in an s13 chassis. With more space it will be easier to fix things with the engine in the car if something does decide to brake. Also, there is more info around on swapping the 18det into the s12 then there is swapping the rb20 into the s12. I dont know the wieght comparison tho. Obviously having 2 more cylinders is going to cause the wieght to go up tho.
Well, by the time I'm done I'm hoping to be around 300HP. I've heard that the stock bottom for the CA18 can handle it, but I'm not so sure how well, or long I'll be able to run it pushing almost twice the stock horsepower. I do know it's a pretty tough engine though seeing that I have one (well, the CA18DE anyway) in my pulsar and it's still running strong at 310,000KM on the motor. Anyway, it's a tough decision, it's a choice between handling and power as it seems.
swap in a qr25det
300hp at the wheels or engine?
If you are going for higher power levels and ever intend to thrash the car for long periods of time RB20 is your only choice, the RB will do 300hp at the wheels with ease on the stock internals, the CA however has gotten past it's reliability level by this stage.
You could always use an RB25DET instead, it should be able to achieve around that power figure at the wheels on the stock turbo injectors etc whereas the RB20 will not. Might as well go a 2.5L in the same size package as a 2L.
You can be unique to if thats important ;).
Next topic: GA16DE Vs RB26DETT
Both the CA18 and the RB20 are great engines for their time, allbeit there's more aftermarket support for the CA18. I'd say go with the 4cyl. and save money on fuel.
I was gonna go for around 300Hp at the wheel, but now that I think about it, I never actually thought of the aftermarket stuff. There seems to be very few aftermarket options for the RB20 unless you live in Japan, and I don't have that convenience. Thinking about it though, for most unique swap options you don't have it either. That's why they're unique. If everyone was dropping FJ20s in their toasters for example, there would probably be more aftermarket anyway... But anyway, how does a RB20 powered car handle compared to the stock engine? I've driven the stock XE and it seemed nimble enough, so how does it do with maybe another 100lb up front?
Properly tuned you should be able to do 300 safely on a CA18DET. Just take baby steps and make sure you always up reliability and stability over power...dont drop it in and crank up the boost super high and call it a day heh. They're pretty robust engines though, they dont get enough credit in this world of sr's and rb's.
Also what do you want the 300 at the wheels for? Gonna be tracking the car or just want it to be quick on the street?
Well, since you havent personally done any swaps, and sound somewhat like a novice at tuning (just going on what I've read, I have no idea what you've done in the past), Go for the CA18DET. Easier to work with as far as parts go, and will keep the car nice and light.
AS it was said before, the RB will cause headaches when you try to install it. LOTS of custom stuff. ONE person has already done it here (forgot who it was, but I have a vid of the car running)and Draconis already has the engine and (as far as I know) is gonna intstall it soon and maybe do a wright up.
But yea, go CA, but tune in baby steps, and always upgade the reliability.
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From what i've read the LS1 is comparable in weight then the 13B tt because of all the extra crap the tt has on there for the sequential system. I can't confirm that of course.
I spoke with a guy at the last 24 hour autox who'd done that swap. He said neither the weight or balance of the car was thrown off in the slightest. The LS1 is fairly compact and lightweight, and sits far and low enough back in the chassis that it doesn't screw anything up. That's why the swap is so popular.
Back on topic though, RB20 doesn't make much sense to me, its the same external size and weight as a -25 or -26, might as well opt for one of those in that case.
QuoteProperly tuned you should be able to do 300 safely on a CA18DET.
You should be able to it's true, but in practice the reliability of the CA when pushed hard ends up being lowish, not poor but not flog it all day every day.
I agree with the bloke above me, if you want to go to an RB forget the RB20 and use an RB25.
I don't know what parts you want for your RB that you can't get locally, they are a very well supported engine and it's not like finding rear feed injectors and T3 pattern turbos is a tough job in any country.
The CA is CAKE to drop into an S12, if you are a swap noob i'd say yeah do the CA, push it but not to much past 170-180rwkw and it should be peachy.
If not then decide to go from there, people seem to have much higher power outputs in mind when they go for engine swaps then they really need (IMHO). If i was you i'd probably drop in the CA, get around 130rwkw (a nice power figure that is achievable on all stock gear), use it like that for a while as you sort your suspension, brakes, cooling and all that jaz. Then when everything is good then start chasing more power.
Basically the CA18DET is a 4cyl RB20DET.
The RB20DET is a good 2L engine, comparable to an SR20DET and other 2L engines.
If you start comparing the RB20DET to its bigger brothers the RB25, RB26 and RB30 it gets left behind. This is why I like to look at it as a 2L engine and compare it to similar capacity engines instead of trying to compare it to the bigger 6cyl engines.
I think the some of you American guys (& gals) are getting to court up in thinking engines that are rare or exotic to the US market must be great engines. In Australia we have been lucky enough in the last 15 years to have tons of Jap import engine come in and get fitted into just about everything so we now have a fair understanding of the potential of most of the JDM engines.
My thoughts on CA18DET vs SR20DET vs RB20DET.
CA18DET is a good choice for the very budget minded S12 owner but not the best choice for the power hungry. I am going to be bold and say 300rwhp (US) is past being a reliable engine.
SR20DET will make 300rwhp US or AU comfortably and reliably and have a heap of mid range torque to make for a fast and fun car to drive.
RB20DET will make 300rwhp US or AU comfortably and reliably but will not have the same mid range torque of the SR20DET. It will rev harder but because of the extra weight of the engine and lack of mid range torque the SR20DET powered car will be quicker.
The reason the Australians use RB20DETââ,¬â,,¢s so often in S13ââ,¬â,,¢s is because they are cheap as chips and they pretty much bolt straight into a S13 chassis. Once people have blown up there CA18DET, CA18DE or SR20DE or just want more power and can not afford to put an SR20DET in there S13, they go for the cheaper alternative. The RB20DET.
I canââ,¬â,,¢t see the point of putting a RB20DET into a S12. I you are going to go to all the trouble of putting such a big engine in there and throwing the weight balance out the window, you may as well make it worth the while and put a RB25 or bigger in. Or better yet for weight balance put one of the turbo VG30 variants in.
i went with a ca18det cause of the price, ease of swap, and my low power needs. ill be happy with 220-250hp reliably.
I'm with Fantasy on this one.
What Julie says is true to.
You have your info, now what you going to do?
Well, I've decided to go with the CA18DET in the end. I've read a whole lot of information on the swap as well as pretty much any other swap into the 200, but I haven't actually done it firsthand. I'll go with the CA18 for now which will also give me some much needed experience, and tune it up with my dad as well as I can. Once I've learned a bit about it (and the car in general), it's not like I can't sell the engine and get a RB20 later. In retrospect, It's not like I need all that power. The places around where I live where I have the ability to push the car without ramming into oncoming traffic are probably too cornery and bumpy to put all that power down anyway. I'll do my research and for the rest I'll be depending on your Guys' help. BTW, thanks for all the info.
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If not then decide to go from there, people seem to have much higher power outputs in mind when they go for engine swaps then they really need (IMHO). If i was you i'd probably drop in the CA, get around 130rwkw (a nice power figure that is achievable on all stock gear), use it like that for a while as you sort your suspension, brakes, cooling and all that jaz. Then when everything is good then start chasing more power.
Exactly, my STi is stupidly fast and it looks all fun with that big 300hp,but when all is said and done its only putting around 220-230hp to the wheels and the damn thing weighs a good ~3400 pounds. For a car as light as the S12, putting 300 at the wheels for
just street driving is a bit excessive in my opinion.
From what I've read about your comments on which to get Smalltar_The_Impaler, ask yourself, "Am I a weeked warrior or testosterone hulk?" Cuz it does answer the your question. Fastasy did a good job on explaining your options. If this is going to be your daily driver, I would go with ca18det. Why the rb20det besides the price? I hear kids doing these swaps "just for bragging rights" PLEASE! Wait till you go a bend, I say. Then they change the subject. lol
Yeah, it's true that bigger isn't always better, and the fact that I have to use the car as a daily driver as well means that a smaller, more fuel efficient engine is better therefore, I'll go for the CA18. It's the swap that makes more sense for what I need anyway. Now all I need is to find a cheap 200SX somewhere nearby.
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The KA series? Nah, I prefer engines that weren't carved out of stone by angry mexicans.
That's just wrong dude. At least give credit where it's due. There is a guy on kat.org that is dynoing over 718hp to the wheels. There was already a guy that drove and still drives a 500hp ka-t on stock internals for over a year with no problems. Those angry mexicans know what they are doing amigo. I think you are smart to go with the ca18det personally....just lay off the ka. They are fine for some of us. CA= batch fire system at high load for the win...lol. There's some computer power right there...hehe
Sorry, not trying to pick a fight......I just get tired of people bashing ka's....sorry, I knew you were joking...
I suppose for a 2.4L 4 banger they're not that bad, I'm just kinda pissed that they didn't give us a SR20DET in north america (in the 240SX). I mean, maybe if they gave us an option between the two engines or something, I wouldn't be so bitter about it, but the 240SX is just such garbage compared to the Silvia. horrible suspension, 4 Bolt pattern , no LSD in a bunch of models, and I bet you they were extremely close to giving it drum brakes just for kicks AND THEN THEY GAVE IT A TRUCK ENGINE!!! I mean, I suppose it's not the engine I hate, it's the 240SX. They took a normal S13 and they made it worse. That's an atrocity, and now it's stupidly overpriced just cause... Errrgh. Err, sorry about going off. Must... think happy thoughts.
lol they could have given you the CA18DE Q's, then you'd be pissed :P.
w00t? It was a DE? I thought it was a DET. Well, I suppose it could have been worse then.
There were 4 engines offered in the S13 (CA18DE, CA18DET, SR20DE & SR20DET) in japan and two in the S14 (SR20DE & SR20DET).
As far as i can tell the US got basically the non turbo (Q's) spec with the KA24 substituted for the CA18DE or SR20DE.
Better then a jap spec Q most likely with it's larger capacity.
Silvia Q's aren't exactly firecrackers...
True, but did they also have that wonky suspension. Seriously, the US 240's on stock suspension drove a lot like like Volvo 240's. Wavy, wafty and with Hicas, dangerous.
No idea i've never driven an S13 on stock suspension, most stock one i've driven was my mates SR20DET 180sx on lowered springs, it felt fine, not to different to my S12 on aftermarket springs with brand new shocks actually.
Stock suspension after 15 years or so is pretty crappy anyways, just upgrade it.
Hate to tell you, but JDM S13s had 4x114.3 bolt pattern too. What does a bolt pattern have to do with anything anyhow? The KA24 is no laughing stock either, you can get some serious numbers out of it. The torque alone is what makes it great.
Well, it's not like it's a big deal, but the car was designed to be sporty... I mean, in coparison, my old Festiva had four bolt pattern. It's just on of those things that symbolizes sportiness. I mean, you don't see a Skyline or a Supra with four bolt wheels, do you? Ehh, in the end everything I'm saying is unfounded and pointless anyway, I'm just pissed off at the car because it's nothing I was hoping it would be. To me, it was just a dissapointment.
the vg30e cars are 5 lugs. the other 2 variations we got here are too slow to need a 5 lug in stock form, guess nissan decieded that
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the vg30e cars are 5 lugs. the other 2 variations we got here are too slow to need a 5 lug in stock form, guess nissan decieded that
I assure you julie that gregorio's VG30e stock is not slow. I had a hard time going up the mountain trail and keeping up with him.
Non turbo skylines are also 4 stud, only the top of the range R32/R33 Turbo GTSt/GTS25t variants and GTR got 5 stud . The other models (around 6 of them) got 4 stud. Even the 'everything except a turbo' GT models got 4 stud.
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I suppose for a 2.4L 4 banger they're not that bad, I'm just kinda pissed that they didn't give us a SR20DET in north america (in the 240SX). I mean, maybe if they gave us an option between the two engines or something, I wouldn't be so bitter about it, but the 240SX is just such garbage compared to the Silvia. horrible suspension, 4 Bolt pattern , no LSD in a bunch of models, and I bet you they were extremely close to giving it drum brakes just for kicks AND THEN THEY GAVE IT A TRUCK ENGINE!!! I mean, I suppose it's not the engine I hate, it's the 240SX. They took a normal S13 and they made it worse. That's an atrocity, and now it's stupidly overpriced just cause... Errrgh. Err, sorry about going off. Must... think happy thoughts.
So, I'm curious...tell me all these "suspension differenses(chuckle), between the usdm 240sx and the JDM silvia? The brakes on SOME models is different....and yes a few models came with LSD...but so did some here. And the "TRUCK" engine you say?....the Ka24de was first used in the 240sx...not the truck...it had a carbed ka24e for a few years after the de came out. So the truck had a 240sx engine. Please know what you're bashing before you do so, thanks. I really doubt you've done more than surf the "net", to come up with this kinda half-knowledged kinda hatred for an engine that we were lucky to have compared to what the other guys said the silvia Q had. Also, I've SEEN KA-t set-ups putting out over 400hp to the wheels....(I happen to like KA's)...and they still kept it four bolt. Suspension is the same....save for extemely minor differences between the s13 and the usdm 240sx....please, quit bashing 240sx's and their "TRUCK" engine..Thank you..
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I assure you julie that gregorio's VG30e stock is not slow. I had a hard time going up the mountain trail and keeping up with him.
who?
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I assure you julie that gregorio's VG30e stock is not slow. I had a hard time going up the mountain trail and keeping up with him.
I think you missunderstood her. She was saying the other vatiants are too slow in stock form to warrant needing 5 lugs. Not that the SEs are slow.
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Well, I've decided to go with the CA18DET in the end. I've read a whole lot of information on the swap as well as pretty much any other swap into the 200, but I haven't actually done it firsthand. I'll go with the CA18 for now which will also give me some much needed experience, and tune it up with my dad as well as I can. Once I've learned a bit about it (and the car in general), it's not like I can't sell the engine and get a RB20 later. In retrospect, It's not like I need all that power. The places around where I live where I have the ability to push the car without ramming into oncoming traffic are probably too cornery and bumpy to put all that power down anyway. I'll do my research and for the rest I'll be depending on your Guys' help. BTW, thanks for all the info.
go supercharged vg33 now thats unique
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Non turbo skylines are also 4 stud, only the top of the range R32/R33 Turbo GTSt/GTS25t variants and GTR got 5 stud . The other models (around 6 of them) got 4 stud. Even the 'everything except a turbo' GT models got 4 stud.
Yeah, but the non turbo skylines aren't exactly sporty. They weren't turbocharged, had four doors and most of them sold were automatics. That's kinda what you bought if you wanted a skyline to haul your family around in.
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So, I'm curious...tell me all these "suspension differenses(chuckle), between the usdm 240sx and the JDM silvia? The brakes on SOME models is different....and yes a few models came with LSD...but so did some here. And the "TRUCK" engine you say?....the Ka24de was first used in the 240sx...not the truck...it had a carbed ka24e for a few years after the de came out. So the truck had a 240sx engine. Please know what you're bashing before you do so, thanks. I really doubt you've done more than surf the "net", to come up with this kinda half-knowledged kinda hatred for an engine that we were lucky to have compared to what the other guys said the silvia Q had. Also, I've SEEN KA-t set-ups putting out over 400hp to the wheels....(I happen to like KA's)...and they still kept it four bolt. Suspension is the same....save for extemely minor differences between the s13 and the usdm 240sx....please, quit bashing 240sx's and their "TRUCK" engine..Thank you..
Ok granted, the 240 that I owned might have not had that good a suspension being an old car, seeing that I haven't driven a silvia or a brand new 240, it was probably just a biased comment, but the fact that it very mildly faster then my pulsar (which was two years older) was not very impressive. I can't say that I'm an extreme specialist on the engine, but I'm not completely clueless. The car had pretty much exactly the same engine (the KA24E) as my friends Nissan Truck . The 240 was a 1990 and so was the truck I believe. There isn't much more to like about the fact (or so it seems) that nissan sent us a bottom of the line silvia and then dropped in an engine that was pretty much used for a truck and a small van I believe. Justifing the engine that saying by adding a turbo and upgrading it it will push over 400BHP is kinda useless, seeing that with enough money you could do the same with pretty much any engine you can find. Oh I also forgot to mention, I don't feel lucky having had the KA24E at all, I would have gladly taken the CA18DE. In the end though, I am willing to end this argument right now with no one crying over an engine, but in my personal opinion, the 240 was garbage and the "truck" engine was just Nissan's way of either being lazy about some kinda emmisions problem or giving us the big fuck you.
Hmm 15 posts down and already I pissed someone off. I should really just go do this on the 240SX forums, that would piss everyone off.
If I go by what you say, then the Chevy Cavalier is a sports car? It's got 5 lugs. That means it's a sports car?
I had a KA24E turbo'd in my 240 and I'd smoke SR20 powered 240s like it was my job. You can't beat the torque. If the JDM S13 came with a KA24 and we got a GA16 or soemthing, you'd be crying about that too. Be lucky we even GOT the S13/S14 series and live with it, that's what engine swaps are for if you don't like it.
And FYI, the main reason Nissan didn't put a turbo in the S13 was so it didn't steal sales away from the Z.
Wasn't the SR20 used as a truck engine as well?
Anyways, that's not why I'm posting. I'm posting cause I want to know where in BC you can get a ca18det front clip for $1200 cause I'm completely and totally down for that my friend.
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If I go by what you say, then the Chevy Cavalier is a sports car? It's got 5 lugs. That means it's a sports car?
I had a KA24E turbo'd in my 240 and I'd smoke SR20 powered 240s like it was my job. You can't beat the torque. If the JDM S13 came with a KA24 and we got a GA16 or soemthing, you'd be crying about that too. Be lucky we even GOT the S13/S14 series and live with it, that's what engine swaps are for if you don't like it.
And FYI, the main reason Nissan didn't put a turbo in the S13 was so it didn't steal sales away from the Z.
I didn't really even know that the cavaliers had 5 lug wheel, but I guess I didn't care, because that car is just plain garbage, but I mean, stranger things have happened. But I mean, my whole argument was that I was hoping the car would be way better then it was. No doubt it could have been better with an engine swap and new coilovers etc, but I have a belief that any car should be the best it can be instead of just being used to fill a hole in the market. It should be something you'd want to drive when it's stock and with upgrades is should be even better, but the car didn't feel good to drive when it was stock and it wasn't even that fast, so I ditched it. I then drove the 200SX which I thought would be much worse, but it just feels better to drive. It was slower (cause it was the CA20E), but it felt more confident in the corners unlike that HiCas garbage and I think it stopped about as well, but the 200 Didn't dive as hard as the 240. Well, I didn't like the 240, so i got rid of it... end of story.
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Wasn't the SR20 used as a truck engine as well?
Anyways, that's not why I'm posting. I'm posting cause I want to know where in BC you can get a ca18det front clip for $1200 cause I'm completely and totally down for that my friend.
I don't think it was in a truck. I know there was a SR20VET in some SUV thing or something, but the point is most of the engine's variations were used in cars that were well... sportier. Cars like the Infiniti G20, Nissan NX2000 *cough* and that crazy japanese all wheel drive Pulsar.
But anyway, about the CA18, I can't quite get a front clip for that much. The front clip was more like $1600 shipped. The engine, tranny, ECU etc is $1200 USD shipped, but they seems alright. so you could offer them $1200 and they might just take it. I've never ordered from them myself, but a few people I know ordered from them and that's who they recommend. The company is called Osaka Jdm motors (http://www.osakajdmmotors.com), so you can check it out, or give them a call (they have a number on their webpage).
(Huh? Why did my post get cut up?)
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Yeah, but the non turbo skylines aren't exactly sporty. They weren't turbocharged, had four doors and most of them sold were automatics. That's kinda what you bought if you wanted a skyline to haul your family around in.
Ok granted, the 240 that I owned might have not had that good a suspension being an old car, seeing that I haven't driven a silvia or a brand new 240, it was probably just a biased comment, but the fact that it very mildly faster then my pulsar (which was two years older) was not very impressive. I can't say that I'm an extreme specialist on the engine, but I'm not completely clueless. The car had pretty much exactly the same engine (the KA24E) as my friends Nissan Truck . The 240 was a 1990 and so was the truck I believe. There isn't much more to like about the fact (or so it seems) that nissan sent us a bottom of the line silvia and then dropped in an engine that was pretty much used for a truck and a small van I believe. Justifing the engine that saying by adding a turbo and upgrading it it will push over 400BHP is kinda useless, seeing that with enough money you could do the same with pretty much any engine you can find. Oh I also forgot to mention, I don't feel lucky having had the KA24E at all, I would have gladly taken the CA18DE. In the end though, I am willing to end this argument right now with no one crying over an engine, but in my personal opinion, the 240 was garbage and the "truck" engine was just Nissan's way of either being lazy about some kinda emmisions problem or giving us the big fuck you.
Hmm 15 posts down and already I pissed someone off. I should really just go do this on the 240SX forums, that would piss everyone off.
Haha, you didn't piss me off dude. Opinions are like onions, some people like em, some people hate em. All I was tryin to tell you was our suspension was the same as the silvias and 180's. I actually agree with you about the ka24e...the differences between the dual cam and single are enough that I like the DE and not the E. The DE is a good starting point for a turbo build as it has a lot of things built into it that mainly turbo nissan engines have...forged rods, piston cooling oil squirters(which the E didn't have)and a much better flowing head design than several engines at that time. It's a thick iron block with a crapload of torque and are known for their reliability. My stock ka s13 got a knod of respect from my best friend who drives a twin turbo z32 (which is faster than any car I've driven @ 467whp). He easily spun my tires in first and when he shifted second.....so I don't think of that as a crappy engine. I've driven a pulsar with the ca18de in it..and I thank the overseeers of car wisdom every day that I got a "truck" motor, instead of a lawn mower engine....lol. (CA guy, that last comment was a joke...)
i just want to say 100 more pounds in the engine bay isnt going to make a big diff
come on the s12's r heavy ass cars
for a s13 it might make a diff but look at all the s13's with so many swaps and they drift most of them with rb's sr's vq's ls1's and many more
if i where u i would go for a rb more power,bullit proof engines and they sound super sexy
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I didn't really even know that the cavaliers had 5 lug wheel, but I guess I didn't care, because that car is just plain garbage, but I mean, stranger things have happened. But I mean, my whole argument was that I was hoping the car would be way better then it was. No doubt it could have been better with an engine swap and new coilovers etc, but I have a belief that any car should be the best it can be instead of just being used to fill a hole in the market. It should be something you'd want to drive when it's stock and with upgrades is should be even better, but the car didn't feel good to drive when it was stock and it wasn't even that fast, so I ditched it. I then drove the 200SX which I thought would be much worse, but it just feels better to drive. It was slower (cause it was the CA20E), but it felt more confident in the corners unlike that HiCas garbage and I think it stopped about as well, but the 200 Didn't dive as hard as the 240. Well, I didn't like the 240, so i got rid of it... end of story.
I don't think it was in a truck. I know there was a SR20VET in some SUV thing or something, but the point is most of the engine's variations were used in cars that were well... sportier. Cars like the Infiniti G20, Nissan NX2000 *cough* and that crazy japanese all wheel drive Pulsar.
But anyway, about the CA18, I can't quite get a front clip for that much. The front clip was more like $1600 shipped. The engine, tranny, ECU etc is $1200 USD shipped, but they seems alright. so you could offer them $1200 and they might just take it. I've never ordered from them myself, but a few people I know ordered from them and that's who they recommend. The company is called Osaka Jdm motors (http://www.osakajdmmotors.com), so you can check it out, or give them a call (they have a number on their webpage).
(Huh? Why did my post get cut up?)
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come on the s12's r heavy ass cars. for a s13 it might make a diff.
1. This thread is almost 4 years old.
2. ca18et and ca20e s12's are lighter than ka24de s13's.