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Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 02:12:27 AM / 27-Mar-10
So I've been after an 84 coupe for awhile, and was diverted by other s12 deals, but finally I've got one...

from the craigslist ad,
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/cl4.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/cl1.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/cl2.jpg)

I set this tow system up a looong time ago (someone here should remember!) but have never put it into use until now, and it worked flawlessly thankfully.  tow truck courtesy of arro.

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3603.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3604.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3607.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3605.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3610.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3609.jpg)

Timing belt was replaced along with a new tensioner.  Plastic napa tensioner shattered, new belt went loose, valves gone.

car has 131k on it, all original.  14" steelies with AWESOME hubcaps that look like the hex aluminum 14s that were optional then!  I only have two of the hubcaps tho.   Blue interior, manual everything, functioning A/C, working factory radio and power antenna.  the car is clean.

and solid axle of course!!


so effectively I have 3 coupes:

my first, the blue notch, 87, I partially restored, and drove out to cali in (from IL) in nov 08: psycho blue cheetah (http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=22162)  a build I never finished documenting.

the second, flat black notch race car, 85, purchased from a member here Empedocles track warrior (http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=19326) which ive done nothing other than drive!  it just runs!  it replaced the blue notch because its not all rusted out like the blue one still is.

and this one, 84, the build thread you are reading.

haha


At this point, all of the performance gear from the black notch is going onto the blue notch, because im building that as a dedicated track car (drift).  the black car will be non-op'd, returned to stockish, and sold later to someone here.  This white notch will get the single cam KA, Konis/Ground Control coilover system, and the white Rota Grids from the blue notch.  This will happen over the next month after wrapping up a few lingering projects for other socal cs12 guys.  midnights ftw!


there were other s12s thrown in the mix as well, but im just leaving them one out, as they have no bearing on these cars.

I believe this is my 9th s12, btw.


So why this car?  84 is of course the only year with solid axle, but....?

a few reasons:  this is the lightest usdm production s12 available, sans a/c.  it has special gear ratios, this model has a 3:70 gearset, which is better for fuel economy.  solid axle means I can lower whatever amount without retarded camber.  some camber would be nice, but this is primarily a daily, so I don't care about utmost performance.  and, I am going to use this car to build an adaption system to install a solid axle system in any s12, probably a Ford rear end due to strength, availability, and cost, primarily for drifting.

and it was $400!  and i have a motor chilln ready to go in the garage!
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 02:19:47 AM / 27-Mar-10
an 84 SRA notch!

I envy you, you, you, flatlander!

Ninja edit, Especially for 400 bones.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 02:26:25 AM / 27-Mar-10
lol

its gonna be fun.  I would have actually kept this CA20 if it wasnt blown, but ehhh...

dream motor for this chassis would be an s14 or s15 SR/DE. no turbo.  would be plenty quick, reliable, and get damn good gas mileage!
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 02:28:29 AM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: 200sxkitcar
lol

its gonna be fun.  I would have actually kept this CA20 if it wasnt blown, but ehhh...

dream motor for this chassis would be an s14 or s15 SR/DE. no turbo.  would be plenty quick, reliable, and get damn good gas mileage!

My KADE gets about 29 mpg, so it's actually not too bad (Just to throw that out there).

Why it gets that good of milage, I dunno at all. The exhaust has such a severe (Crush) Bend over the axle courtesy of a piss poor midas exhaust job. It's beyond me how it gets that
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 02:31:21 AM / 27-Mar-10
wow thats pretty good!  stick im assuming?

this whole thing is going to be a bit odd for the s12 scene, as the primary goal is reliability and fuel economy.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 02:34:14 AM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: 200sxkitcar
wow thats pretty good!  stick im assuming?

this whole thing is going to be a bit odd for the s12 scene, as the primary goal is reliability and fuel economy.

Yes, manual. With the normal run of the mill aluminum intake tube, no emissions bong (That valve thing that sits on the drivers wheel well in the S13), No charcoal, 6 puck, fidanza, and that super, shitty, exhaust. I'm redoing it, now that the resonator has hit the ground so many times it's deformned

It's all quite odd actually. I'm not complaining for the time being though

Edit: Also, When I was first starting up the KA, the Ecu started smoking and hissing. And then started. never gave me a problem. So I did it to another ecu, and it did the same thing, and that one is currently in it.

I have no clue whatsoever man.... The powers that be wanted that car to have a KA
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 02:41:56 AM / 27-Mar-10
ehhh thats a bit bizarre, idk what would cause that to happen.  hmm

if i got near 30 id be pretty happy.

im curious if the single cams are more efficient than the dual cams?  rather doubt it.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 02:45:10 AM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: 200sxkitcar
rather doubt it.

Your hunch would be correct.
90 S13 = 18 mpg / 24 mpg / 20 mpg
92 S13 = 21 mpg / 27 mpg/ 23 mpg
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Redneck on 02:47:46 AM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: Jay
My KADE gets about 29 mpg, so it's actually not too bad (Just to throw that out there).

Why it gets that good of milage, I dunno at all. The exhaust has such a severe (Crush) Bend over the axle courtesy of a piss poor midas exhaust job. It's beyond me how it gets that
Yeah I wish I got 29mpg. I have ebay intake, stock s12 exhaust and the intake butterfly valves disconnected and the best I average is 23 low end 25 high end. I do a lot of mixed city/highway driving though.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 02:48:54 AM / 27-Mar-10
ah damn.  well, all i need is one of those fuel magnet things to go over the line LOL

it will still be good enough im sure.

i think an n/a sr would kick ass in this dept.


oh yeah, any of you cali guys know whereabouts info for carb-legal swapping, hook it up.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 02:48:57 AM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: Redneck
Yeah I wish I got 29mpg. I have ebay intake, stock s12 exhaust and the intake butterfly valves disconnected and the best I average is 23 low end 25 high end. I do a lot of mixed city/highway driving though.

Oh I was going purely off highway

city is about 17, because I cannot help but floor the bastard and kick er slideways, So I was omitting that due to my, Ahem, Childishness

N/A Sr, Yes, Without a doubt. But make sure to buy like, 20 of those magnets. Line them up all along the lines for better effectiveness

In all seriousness. It's a freakin cow magnet cut in half
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 02:51:15 AM / 27-Mar-10
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Redneck on 03:09:10 AM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: 200sxkitcari think an n/a sr would kick ass in this dept.
Quote from: JayN/A Sr, Yes, Without a doubt
Agreed. If I had to pick an s chassis engine for an n/a build it would be this. Sucks the ka doesn't respond better to n/a mods but I guess it isn't too surprising with its long stroke.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: David B on 03:36:06 AM / 27-Mar-10
ive always wanted to do tha to tow my car...


do you need a steering wheel lock for that? writeup pleaze, or more pictures. i want to tow my car but i cant afford the trailer yet
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: EternalSwap on 04:55:11 AM / 27-Mar-10
looks good shterrrling

i think the fontana yard might still have some extra 84 hubcaps....
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: EightySix200SX on 05:56:28 AM / 27-Mar-10
I'm drunk as shit sterling trying to interpret this lol congrats looks like us local guys will have to come out again and check this one out.

Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: nissan_s12 on 08:26:39 AM / 27-Mar-10
me just as well honestly just picked up a coupe ^_^ i'll post up a built later after i finish my hatch =P

i love how ya work mang good knowledge!!
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:28:18 PM / 27-Mar-10
nice tow set-up wish I would of had that when towing the black car from norcal lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: s12sweden on 03:20:53 PM / 27-Mar-10
200sxkitcar : Awesome S12 you have mate  
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sam31183 on 08:38:51 PM / 27-Mar-10
notch horder!!!! I get like 23 24 with my de with no coal can, cold air intake, msd coil, ngk wires/plugs and blocked off o2 sensor...also, ghetto custom exhaust...ie glass pack to dumb no name muffler with no cat...
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: bluke1 on 09:06:43 PM / 27-Mar-10
nice find! good luck with the build!
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 09:40:54 PM / 27-Mar-10
Quote from: 200sxkitcar
oh yeah, any of you cali guys know whereabouts info for carb-legal swapping, hook it up.

Do you not remember that I did all that legwork when I was still contemplating an SRT swap in the Neon? It's pretty straight-forward. They will want to see that all the emissions crap is hooked up and in place. Then it needs to pass a dyno check. Visual check, dyno check... it needs to be looked at by a Cali smog official for the visual inspection. There happens to be one of those at the local college if I'm not mistaken. Start swapping and I'll make a couple calls.

Just make sure you use ALL the S13's crap when you go in. They're smarter nowadays, they know what the S13 came with. Every single line and every piece of engine-related plastic (tubes, whatever) needs to be swapped with the engine. We talked about this before, you have everything so you should be fine. Pick up a NEW cat-con while you're at it, you're gonna want to be clean out the back, and there's no telling if the one on this notch has been replaced. Besides, you'll want to put on better exhaust, anyways, right?
KA + 2.5 = WIN

The smog official will tell you anyways if you're missing anything, and they'll get you on the right path.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 12:41:02 AM / 28-Mar-10
I know the basic steps, and yes, the college has a state ref in the auto dept.

more like, whether I do the swap first, then take it to them, or reverse.  paperwork that needs to be done.  info from donor car that is needed.  etc.  just the details.  I have all of the little pieces to make it OEM style complete.

the S13 cat is nearly new, I have the last emissions test for that car (3k mi ago) and it passed ridiculously clean.  I have a new 3 inch as well   Oh yeah!  the cat on the car currently was just replaced as well!  ftw!

I think the guy at the college will help me out.  the car doesn't look all tunerzd out so that will help.

on the towing setup:

1) leave the steering unlocked.  the same forces (caster) that returns the steering wheel when you come out of a turn will keep it going straight and let it work as needed.  its cool watching the car drive itself behind the towing truck.  The system worked flawlessly.  I would verify that the car tracked properly before doing this.

2) you must use the supplemental magnet trailer style lights when doing this.

3) check all local laws to make sure youre legit.  This type of operation draws alot of attention, all the cops I drove past were busy with someone else, or I'm sure I would have gotten pulled over for at least just a check.

4) I think Alex? told me cali law requires if you do this the car that is being towed needs to have full up to date registration if all 4 wheels are on the ground and then probably insurance as well.  your state might vary, but check it out.  no more tickets David!

5) I took a spare bumper and bolted the couplers for the tow bar (thats what the assembly is called) so that way, I just got to the guys house, took off the stock bumper assembly, and bolted in this core, and hooked up and left.  If the front is tweaked from an accident, this will complicate things.

6) The tow bar assembly, safety and light gear probably cost around $200 btw, so figure if its worthwhile to you.

7) The alignment of the tow bar assembly has to be good, and mounting has to be solid, if its gonna work right.  On this thing, the ideal distance between the two connections on the bumper is 33", im at 32.5".  also, its important that with the assembly installed on level ground that the tow bar itself is as close to level as possible to minimize the forces on it, I was out about 1".  

8) I gotta say, idk if this would be a good idea to get to and from a track.  A front collision with tires, another car, etc and the tow bar wouldn't work, which would be a bitch.  Rigging it would be rather dangerous, remember, if this thing comes loose, its 2400+lbs of steel flying in whatever direction it may go.  On this setup, there were two sets of chains, heavy grade, to try and keep the car and truck together, even if something failed.  a bit paranoid, but for the little extra cost, it was worth it.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 01:14:51 AM / 28-Mar-10
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8) I gotta say, idk if this would be a good idea to get to and from a track.  A front collision with tires, another car, etc and the tow bar wouldn't work, which would be a bitch.  Rigging it would be rather dangerous, remember, if this thing comes loose, its 2400+lbs of steel flying in whatever direction it may go.  On this setup, there were two sets of chains, heavy grade, to try and keep the car and truck together, even if something failed.  a bit paranoid, but for the little extra cost, it was worth it.

Also David has to keep in mind the possibility of transmission/Differential/axle issues. One of those snaps at the track, Dragging it home would be a very bad idea indeed (Unless you took the driveshaft off in the case of blown trans)
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:54:07 AM / 28-Mar-10
Quote from: Arro
Do you not remember that I did all that legwork when I was still contemplating an SRT swap in the Neon? It's pretty straight-forward. They will want to see that all the emissions crap is hooked up and in place. Then it needs to pass a dyno check. Visual check, dyno check... it needs to be looked at by a Cali smog official for the visual inspection. There happens to be one of those at the local college if I'm not mistaken. Start swapping and I'll make a couple calls.

Just make sure you use ALL the S13's crap when you go in. They're smarter nowadays, they know what the S13 came with. Every single line and every piece of engine-related plastic (tubes, whatever) needs to be swapped with the engine. We talked about this before, you have everything so you should be fine. Pick up a NEW cat-con while you're at it, you're gonna want to be clean out the back, and there's no telling if the one on this notch has been replaced. Besides, you'll want to put on better exhaust, anyways, right?
KA + 2.5 = WIN

The smog official will tell you anyways if you're missing anything, and they'll get you on the right path.





Quick question for all the old cars out I.E. s12 how dod they know what and where the egr shit they have to deal with so many cars some have to slip through the crack no? I know out here the smog guys have no clue what they are looking at I had one guy say I needed a check valve for something that went to the intake and when I asked when he was talking about he couldn't tell me lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 02:15:58 AM / 28-Mar-10
These aren't just "smog guys" in little booths like you have up in NV, our smog shop guys have to be fully trained in classes, and the smog officials are actual state employees with LOTS more training than just the test-only shops. Believe me, they probably know more about aftermarket tuning than you do  Probably more than most of us on here actually. Cars don't actually "slip through the cracks" when they go to the referee, and for a swap, you have to go to a referee. Even in NV it's the same, I talked on the phone for almost 45 mins with a Nevada smog official in Reno, and he told me all about the training they have. About the only way you can smog a car illegally in either state is to know someone at a test shop, BUT, if your car is required to see an actual smog official, you can't get away with jack.

In either state.

As it turns out, Sterling will have to see a smog official here, but I will also have to see a smog official in NV for the Silvia. I will be fine, because the rules regarding actual JDM cars are very lax in NV. But believe me, if I was to bring an originally Cali-sold car into NV with a swap... it will need to be reviewed, and just like in California, it will have to meet ALL emissions tests for the engine that I swapped INTO the car, as well as retain all the emissions equipment that came with that engine.

Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:30:52 AM / 28-Mar-10
I actually have to have my 87 inspeceted because it's a cali salvage title. i have never heard of any of the guys that swap here or even have pre swapped cali cars having a problem with it they just went with title in hand and the cali reg or plates to show it's been reg in cali and they inspect the vin make sure they all match and send you on your way. Maybe it's different in reno than vegas but i can't imagine it would be.

Regarding your answer to my post about the smog guys sorry I thiought you were talking about takin it to a smaog guy didn't realize you guys had all that bs to go through I knew you guys were put through the hoops but damn welp I will never live in cali atleast not with a modified car lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 02:44:25 AM / 28-Mar-10
If you are bringing a Cali car into NV, you are required to have it looked at by a Nevada smog inspector. Now, if he knows his shit and you have a swap from a different kind of car than an S12, he's gonna make sure all the emissions hoses and EGR and such is there, along with the factory intake. If he's not-so-smart, he might not notice.

My biggest suggestion to you is to use as much stuff that came with the swapped engine as possible, including the factory intake parts. Looks more "legit" and will probably make 'em feel more comfortable. I guarantee if you roll your shit in there with, say, a KA24DE with a header, generic ebay chrome intake, and a stripped-down bay, you will phail like Munson did at bowling.

I found out everything I did for just this situation -- My car would be a California S12 with a different engine (one from an S14 in my case), being brought to NV for first-time State registration. If you don't believe me, just ask the DMV there. Or better yet, call the Smog Lab because they are the ones who will be looking your car over, not the chick at the counter.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: David B on 03:07:00 AM / 28-Mar-10
i feel sorry for you guys



your laws kinda suck in that area.


soon there gonna be doing on site fuel/air ratio testing to see if your polluting too much fuel lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 03:14:54 AM / 28-Mar-10
They already do. The California Highway Patrol will often set up stops along highways, and they check for license and registration, but if they want, they can ask you to pull to the side, and they have a mobile test lab there that can check your shit on the spot.

But for me, any car I have that will be modified will be NV. "Here's my NV license and NV registration, now I will be on my way, thanks officer."

Phuckers. They can kiss my ass.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 03:45:25 AM / 28-Mar-10
and all of that can be bypassed with such ease

Gratz sterling
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 04:09:40 AM / 28-Mar-10
Quote from: Arro
If you are bringing a Cali car into NV, you are required to have it looked at by a Nevada smog inspector. Now, if he knows his shit and you have a swap from a different kind of car than an S12, he's gonna make sure all the emissions hoses and EGR and such is there, along with the factory intake. If he's not-so-smart, he might not notice.

My biggest suggestion to you is to use as much stuff that came with the swapped engine as possible, including the factory intake parts. Looks more "legit" and will probably make 'em feel more comfortable. I guarantee if you roll your shit in there with, say, a KA24DE with a header, generic ebay chrome intake, and a stripped-down bay, you will phail like Munson did at bowling.

I found out everything I did for just this situation -- My car would be a California S12 with a different engine (one from an S14 in my case), being brought to NV for first-time State registration. If you don't believe me, just ask the DMV there. Or better yet, call the Smog Lab because they are the ones who will be looking your car over, not the chick at the counter.

Well when i plan on gettin it running it will be stock witht he xcetion of the ic and the manifold everything else will be hooked up still then once it's passed I will go to town on it
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 04:54:52 AM / 28-Mar-10
not to confuse anyone, i could do this swap and just drive it, but i wish to make it legal, as its easy and I have all the parts for it.  that way any roadblock Im not going to be concerned as the car will pass fine.  the single cam ka will pass sniffer no problem, its the fact its swapped that would be an issue, but not if I do it legal.

engine is about ready to come out!

before, as i got it
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3611.jpg)

and now!
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3612.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3613.jpg)
yay
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 09:28:25 PM / 28-Mar-10
Quote from: sideways_s12
Well when i plan on gettin it running it will be stock witht he xcetion of the ic and the manifold everything else will be hooked up still then once it's passed I will go to town on it

Manifold and IC might pass by the local smog booth guys, but it prolly won't fly with the NV smog lab inspectors. Save yourself the grief and throw on the cast mani and stock intake tubing. It's not hard to put back.

Wait... you're going to be modifying a Cali car? Leave it BONE STOCK and do your mods afterwards, only a fool modifies a car BEFORE an inspection. Again, save yourself the grief.

Quote from: 200sxkitcarengine is about ready to come out!

mmmmmm rapage  

We need to get drunk and dance around the engine when it's sitting on the driveway lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:47:31 AM / 29-Mar-10
somebody here is confused.  not sure if its me.  jasons new car is from cali with a salvage title and a swap.  soooo to reg here he needs insurance (normal), smog(normal), vin check(out of state car), and safety inspection(salvage title).  when my car was vin checked I had the swap already done but they didnt even pop my hood.  the saftey inspection is basiclly just checking all ur lights and ur brakes.  and smog is easily taken care of
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:19:08 AM / 29-Mar-10
Thank you lol

Arro I wasn't going to modding the car before inspection I said after inspection I was gonna go to town on it lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 01:51:12 AM / 29-Mar-10
Quote from: IggyEGuana
somebody here is confused.  not sure if its me.  jasons new car is from cali with a salvage title and a swap.  soooo to reg here he needs insurance (normal), smog(normal), vin check(out of state car), and safety inspection(salvage title).  when my car was vin checked I had the swap already done but they didnt even pop my hood.  the saftey inspection is basiclly just checking all ur lights and ur brakes.  and smog is easily taken care of

No shit?

Wow that's awesome. Well let's see what happens when I go to do mine
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:55:39 AM / 29-Mar-10
That's what I was tryin to tell you lol
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Post by: schassisowner on 03:47:20 PM / 30-Mar-10
Quote from: sideways_s12
That's what I was tryin to tell you lol


only good thing bout the east coast

none of that nonsense

nice notch sterling
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:16:40 PM / 30-Mar-10
get a address in nye county (pahrump)

no smog
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 11:21:23 PM / 01-May-10
OH YEAH

big advocate of clean engine bays.  compare this to earlier pics in this thread, maybe 1/2hr worth of work with those chemicals, makes the job so much easier and pleasant.  its a motivational factor too
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3664.jpg)
thats gel engine brite and bleche white, both highly recommended cleaning solutions.  2 cans of the gel and one of the bleche and youre solid.  note I could have done more, and probably will when the motor is out, but this is a great start and a huge improvement.

So the car has been looking like this in my driveway
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3638.jpg)

some of the underhood stuff missing, and no bumper.  sits soo damn high!
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3639.jpg)

and I just couldnt take it anymore.  actually, I refuse to remove the motor and have it sit any more retarded than what it was right then, SO

MUST LOWAR

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3647.jpg)

JUMP JUMP

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3648.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3654.jpg)

Inital front drop.  more info to come soon, as I'm not satisfied with the results yet
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3655.jpg)

Rear solid axle finally!  OEM shocks that are actually still quite good!

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3656.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3657.jpg)
some random unknown rate janky springs from some jank ass accord ;D

mmmmMMMM sexxxy
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3658.jpg)

anyone interested?  minus the spare etc, i still need those... free of course
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3659.jpg)
in ok shape.  I'd pressure wash them first, should come out pretty clean

gotta make the fronts match closer to the rears, so I drop a bit further, hammer down the shitty fenders that are on this car, and YEAH better
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3661.jpg)
this is with the steering wheel straight, mind you.  somethings not quite right
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3662.jpg)

You know, I forget how unbelievable the weather is here most times.  its always so nice!  you can feel the warmth of the sun and the breeze just looking at this pic!  haha

So with the driver's side looking like that ^ this is what the passengers side is like,

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG_3663.jpg)

Idk what the fuck is up here.  I used the poly tension rod bushings from the black car, otherwise everything is fairly stock (simple coilover setup you'll find out about later) otherwise no changes.  This car has the strut tubes from the black car as well (I just swapped the entire setup) and I get this weird toe out and waaayy messed up caster.  I've got ajustable tension rods I'll be installing, and toe is easy (I'm installing the manual rack setup from the cheetah) but compared to stock idk what has changed.  Maybe this was like this before, but the sunk in little 14s hid it.

I don't have any full car shots!  shit!  youll see some soon enough tho.  Rears are hella dumped!  trying to figure out what shocks I want to run to accommodate the lower ride height, as its pictured, I can't drop much more than another 1-1.5" (25-37mm) before the upper 4link on the solid axle hits the frame!  OEM spec (Koni Yellows for an S12) almost fully compressed.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:27:56 AM / 02-May-10
tension rod bushing in backwards?  never fucked with the s12 stuff so idk.  Just go full s13 already
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: EightySix200SX on 01:15:44 AM / 02-May-10
Yeah! Ride height is nice now lol. Damn this car is gojna be hawt I'm super jealous of ur non cambered rear wheel. Me and my damn trailing lol. Lookin good sterling! I'll take the trunk pieces if u don't want them trade for a 12 pack of ur choice?

edit: When pics are taken at your house it seems like the place is an island just from the background. even the pics hung took of his car and I took of my car it dosent look like it would be hemet iono thats just me trippin I guess lol
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: demonic s12 on 01:27:52 AM / 02-May-10
looking good!  

i should be coming out there pretty damn soon. perhaps tomorrow

(pick up your phone)
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sam31183 on 01:32:54 AM / 02-May-10
i wonder how mustang shocks would work in the back on the sra...or front bronco 2 shocks...i mean, the ae86 guys use them, and they are sra...and they work fine on our irs cars...so they should work fine out back on our sra s12s...right? I hope you didnt have one effed up lca that you didnt notice until now...that would be balls.
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:54:00 AM / 02-May-10
loks good man
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Lynium on 03:19:24 AM / 02-May-10
just re-set the toe... if you lowered the car that would change the toe setting anyhow. you prolly just need an allignment? I hope its something stupid simple like that...

at any rate, the first thought that popped into my head when I seen the pics of this little beauty:  
"..MMmmm.. vanilla ice cream... mmmm"

ya.. i duno... just so clean, and the colour, and.. erm.. ya..

anyways, im off to the fridge freezer...
Title: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 11:10:07 PM / 08-May-10
^haha

Sam, mustang rears are about same length as oem sra rears, apparently.  Camaros are about an inch shorter... good idea on the bronco ones I'll check that out!

For now, I'm going to cut the oem springs and reuse the original good shocks.  I've never driven an sra S12, so before I go modding, I'm going to see how it all works stock and go from there.

lcas seem to be fine.  I'm very likely going to use M30 front assemblies, or some of the parts on a v6 s12 tube, which is unproven (hasn't been done yet) but works in theory, allows for all sorts of brake options, and retains OEM style integrated spindle/strut tube setup but allows for slip-on rotors.  I have all equipment for S13 front conversion, but 1) I don't want the extra weight and 2) with the parts I have I can go lower/have more travel using S12 style stuff.  Hard to explain without pics, you'll get more when I actually do the work in a bit.

I doubt the tension rod bushings are in backwards, I never removed the inboard one from the tension rods, but regardless I'm going to toss on the adjustable T3 units from the cheetah.

haven't done any more, been messing with other things you'll see soon
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: tuhsty s-12 on 07:13:40 PM / 22-Nov-10
hey sterlin your inbox was full sooo i put this here... hope its not a prob

hey sterlin it mee agen..... lol

wondering if u could help me out again with a few parts... i need the door trim that's jus above the door handle in chrome, both sides.

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k435/tuhsty/IMG00106-20101114-1436-1.jpg)

let me know,
thanks. adrian
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 06:13:41 PM / 26-Jul-11
i don't get on here much, I probably have that part if you still need it.

yeah.

DONE

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG102.jpg)
NOM
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG112.jpg)
NOM NOM
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG123.jpg)
smog visual? eh?
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG122.jpg)
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/IMG121.jpg)

registered and insured.  see you at JCCS!
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Colonel Gustard on 06:16:39 PM / 26-Jul-11
man that is one sexy notch, cant wait to see you at JCCS, you should go to the Socal meet this weekend
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Maxpow on 07:07:27 PM / 26-Jul-11
Need mah laptop.
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:20:42 AM / 27-Jul-11
YES!

Post Merge: 08:35:56 PM / 27-Jul-11

Sterling's birthday today?!

happy birthday fellow white notch owner
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Maxpow on 11:31:03 PM / 27-Jul-11
Happy birthday ling ling
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: silvia love on 09:03:33 PM / 28-Jul-11
those are not s12 front casings....are those from a m30? i want!
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: EightySix200SX on 10:14:59 PM / 28-Jul-11
m30/f31 ftmfw!!! hell yea this is coming soon as well so i can retain my 4lug
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Arro on 03:55:08 AM / 29-Jul-11
Z31 4-lug on the front also works, too.
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: silvia love on 03:01:28 PM / 30-Jul-11
Quote from: Arro on 03:55:08 AM / 29-Jul-11
Z31 4-lug on the front also works, too.
yes but the m30 units have hat style rotors! z31's are like the s12's where you have to disasemble the hub to change rotors. with the m30's you can upgrade to z32 rotors and calipers!
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: s12sweden on 04:04:22 PM / 30-Jul-11
Fine S12 notch you have , l like it
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: mentalxpreshun on 07:00:45 PM / 30-Jul-11
SRA FTW!!
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: sam31183 on 02:40:53 AM / 31-Jul-11
Quote from: silvia love on 03:01:28 PM / 30-Jul-11
yes but the m30 units have hat style rotors! z31's are like the s12's where you have to disasemble the hub to change rotors. with the m30's you can upgrade to z32 rotors and calipers!

omg...that is such a better design...anyone who has had to do the front wheel bearings on an s12 would have to agree...
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: David B on 05:11:50 AM / 19-Aug-11
when i registerd my dd 240 i checked the box that said "is this car garaged elsewhere.... if so then where?" and i put a emissions exempt city on there.. made the registration 2 bux cheaper or something. yay for the commonwealth?
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: kyskater on 12:14:41 AM / 29-Aug-11
The m30 assys look wider are they?
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 11:48:42 AM / 29-Jan-12
more than stock, no, I don't think so.

16k mi in the last 6 months.  needs exhaust before I sell the house

(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee276/Sterlingps12/whitenotch/16k.jpg)

Wheel bearings are done too, results in steering wheel shake at higher speeds depending on road conditions.  I just keep tightening the spindle nuts lolol
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Roof on 06:12:07 PM / 29-Jan-12
I use to get wheel shake in my car before I replaced my tie rod ends.  Maybe its got something to do with that.  Nice car though lookin good :D
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: Jay on 06:14:09 PM / 29-Jan-12
You ARE alive!
Title: Re: White Notch Of Destiny.
Post by: 200sxkitcar on 04:33:43 PM / 30-Jan-12
lol

tie rods are new but you would be correct thats common.  I know now its the bearings, because when i tighten the spindle nut, it goes away for awhile.

S13 bearings are beefier I think and are all one sealed unit, so I may re-convert to my s13 front setup again.  dunno.  ok for now