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Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: benn on 04:38:34 PM / 05-Apr-10
hello i have almost 10,000 for my swap. but anything to look forward to i have read that it is more or less bolt in. but what about the transmission could i use it or not? i have a KA trans swaped in it right now so i might just have to swap the bellhousing again?
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: SC S12 on 04:42:15 PM / 05-Apr-10
Quote from: benn
hello i have almost 10,000 for my swap. but anything to look forward to i have read that it is more or less bolt in. but what about the transmission could i use it or not? i have a KA trans swaped in it right now so i might just have to swap the bellhousing again?
10,000? seriously? get a MK2 Supra and turbo that or a Z31turbo or a  C4 Vette..

sorry

but thats about all i can contribute to this
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: benn on 04:12:30 AM / 06-Apr-10
well i am trying to get the motor and suspension wheels and paint and body done for all that. but i have never done a swap so i dunno how hard or where to even start. i just want to restore the car and have some deccent power.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Praizewood on 05:08:57 AM / 06-Apr-10
You might find a FJ24 for that money. Be the first one to do it!
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Clowny on 10:32:25 AM / 06-Apr-10
He has an 88 turbo with a ka trans already swapped in it and 10k saved up for an sr swap.......I smell a troll.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Jay on 11:07:02 AM / 06-Apr-10
Quote from: Clowny
He has an 88 turbo with a ka trans already swapped in it and 10k saved up for an sr swap.......I smell a troll.

 

This magical 10k is completely irrelevant to the question that is being asked.

If you really do have 10k. Buy a damn Fd3s and be done

"Restore the car", and "Have some decent power" Should not be used in the same sentence.
Either your "Restoring" it to factory, stock, sluggishness for possible Barrett Jackson auctions later on
"Having decent power" is building it a little bit, spending about 3k doing so. and completely forgetting about any possibility of a nominal resale value
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Leegamer on 12:23:08 PM / 06-Apr-10
Buy an RS-X from Japan and import it over...for 10k.

But seriously...go look at David B's build and you can see how simple the swap CAN be.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: SC S12 on 04:04:33 PM / 06-Apr-10
Quote from: Praizewood
You might find a FJ24 for that money. Be the first one to do it!
the only one i have found is in OZ and is 15,900 AUD...

but it would be so sweet
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Candellan on 05:57:28 PM / 06-Apr-10
With a decent budget like that I be starting with a complete front cut, that way you get the gearbox, loom, ecu, etc, already bolted to the motor which is a much easier way to start. $10k will dissapear faster than you'd think.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: benn on 02:27:21 PM / 13-Apr-10
This is what my friend did with his two forty. but i had a Mk 3 twin turbo supra from jpn and it sucked balls compared to the two forty. And the money i have is from selling the car.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Arro on 02:40:29 PM / 13-Apr-10
First off, where are you located? Update your profile, we require it here, and it helps us help you with these kinds of questions. What might seem like a good value and reasonable swap in one part of the world, might be more expensive and difficult elsewhere.

But honestly, nobody spends 10K on a swap into an S12 for "reasonable" power. More like 1K.

And you say you have a KA trans on your otherwise stock S12? So your trans tunnel is cut and your center console relocated?

I'm having trouble with some of the "facts" here... now it may be that you're new and have a few items mixed up... the KA trans is not the same trans as the one that comes in an S12.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Praizewood on 02:43:51 PM / 13-Apr-10
Quote from: SC S12
the only one i have found is in OZ and is 15,900 AUD...

but it would be so sweet
That's not too bad when considering the price of a 240rs
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Arro on 02:45:06 PM / 13-Apr-10
Keep it on-topic, please. Let this guy sort out his info, get some facts straight, tell us where in the world he's located, and then we can get a better sense of what this is all about.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Praizewood on 03:02:47 PM / 13-Apr-10
sorry...
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: benn on 05:08:47 PM / 15-Apr-10
Sorry i updated my location, No i have taken out the original trans because second gear syncro was shot. I couldnt find another 200sx turbo here there scarce, so i heard you could do a KA trans swap and wouldt take a whole lot so swaped it in there. But my turbo is shot and it isnt running right, so i want a SR20det to keep up with my buddies 240. he got his done up here at a place called Zensport and he is 10k deep on the motor alone. I have no experiance doing motor swaps so just have to have someone do it for me. all i want to know is what will have to be done to get the motor in and have everything work/ anything i need to swap to make it work.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Arro on 12:52:04 AM / 17-Apr-10
OK, a KA (or ANY trans in an S13 or S14) is not a direct swap for an S12 trans. That's fact, no debates. However, many of us have swapped to a KA or SR and an S13/S14 trans, but it required modifications to make it work. Those modifications are documented on this site if you look for them, but the trans is NOT a straight swap-through.

SO... then really this is a competition between two guys, to see who can throw enough money at a car via a very lucky shop, and make their shit go faster. And since the SR is supposedly the "best", you assumed that this was the way to go.

Let me tell you -- there is no glory in dumping 10K into an engine, unless at least 70% of that cost was in parts. If you're having a shop do most or all of things, then I guarantee you that 60-70% or more will be spent on labor, not on parts.

So a guy who wants to take the time to learn how to pull an engine and connect a half dozen wires will put more of that money to going faster, and WILL be faster.

10K "thrown" at a KA24DE to build the insides and turbocharge it will make it amazingly potent. Again, I say, go visit ka-t.org and see for yourself.

Or just get an SR and do what's been done.

Look, I don't hate the SR. There are a number of guys with SR's in S12's and I like the swaps. But most of those guys did it themselves, or at least did *some* of it. So they know what is what.

Do you want to tell people how much money you spent? Or do you want to tell people what you managed to do?

I dunno maybe it's just my opinion, but I've never thought the S12 was a good "throw money at it blindly" platform. Always felt it was better for someone who at least wanted to learn about cars. Again, that's also my opinion.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: David B on 04:12:05 AM / 17-Apr-10
10 thousand....... cookies?
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: D-sport S12 on 02:21:41 PM / 17-Apr-10
Quote from: benn
Sorry i updated my location, No i have taken out the original trans because second gear syncro was shot. I couldnt find another 200sx turbo here there scarce, so i heard you could do a KA trans swap and wouldt take a whole lot so swaped it in there. But my turbo is shot and it isnt running right, so i want a SR20det to keep up with my buddies 240. he got his done up here at a place called Zensport and he is 10k deep on the motor alone. I have no experiance doing motor swaps so just have to have someone do it for me. all i want to know is what will have to be done to get the motor in and have everything work/ anything i need to swap to make it work.

My car was tuned at zensport a few years ago. If you want a shop to do the swap, price out more places. Try calling up Neptune D in burnaby and see what they have to say.

Or just do it youself and save yourself an assload of $$$
And doing the swap yourself,will be way more worth it in the long run as you did it and not someone else
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: benn on 10:57:14 PM / 19-Apr-10
Ok well apparently i am not going to get the awnser to my question but i want to build the motor to with stand power way over my goal. and restore the body. I dont have a whole lot of money lost my liscense but zensport said about 800-1000. with a water to air intercooler T28 Turbo i already have and tuned
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Redneck on 12:03:53 AM / 20-Apr-10
Quote from: benn
hello i have almost 10,000 for my swap.
Quote from: benn
I dont have a whole lot of money
This guys posts are really making next to zero sense.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Arro on 12:32:25 AM / 20-Apr-10
Quote from: benn
hello i have almost 10,000 for my swap. but anything to look forward to i have read that it is more or less bolt in. but what about the transmission could i use it or not? i have a KA trans swaped in it right now so i might just have to swap the bellhousing again?

You asked about the KA trans....

Quote from: Arro
OK, a KA (or ANY trans in an S13 or S14) is not a direct swap for an S12 trans. That's fact, no debates. However, many of us have swapped to a KA or SR and an S13/S14 trans, but it required modifications to make it work. Those modifications are documented on this site if you look for them, but the trans is NOT a straight swap-through.

...and I answered you.

Quote from: benn
Ok well apparently i am not going to get the awnser to my question...

Really? Are you serious?

Look. I know you're not pleased that most of us basically found it distasteful that you want to pay lots of money to have someone else build your engine, and that some of us launched into a discussion about KA's worthiness, and SR impracticalities. But I did answer your question pretty clearly.

If you wanted to ask additionally what we thought was the best route to build the "ultimate" SR20DET.... you're in the wrong place. Most people here aren't interested in building the "ultimate" anything... S12's are cheap cars, and so most of us want cheap, quick engine swaps. More power is great, but very few of us are building a beast of a car. Those that are, are doing so with more exotic engines than the SR.

The people who build crazy-powerful SR20DET's are on zilvia.net, sr20forum.com, freshalloy.com, etc... those sites where the super-mondo drift S13's and S14's are at. Where guys throw literally $50K at a car sometimes. Not here. It's not only that most of us don't look favorably on paying someone to build everything... it's that just by owning an S12, it's usually an acknowledgment to the self that we have certain realistic and practical goals in mind.

So don't get offended... I answered your KA trans question, and we just aren't that focused on building ultimate SR's for S12 chassis, to compete with buddies running S13's and S14's with stupid-tons of money thrown at their SR-powered cars.

I hope this clarifies things. Since I already answered your question.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: benn on 11:03:04 PM / 28-May-10
I am sorry. i have lost my liscene so i had to pay a shit ton. But i have a blacktop SR20det. What do i have to modify on the car to fit the motor i hear the motor mounts bolt in but anything that i will have to do to the trans, by the way i am gonna try this on my own.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: RB25sx - SLPR on 11:08:42 PM / 28-May-10
benn, I'm in Victoria as well. PM'ed.
Title: Sr20det Swap
Post by: Johnny_boi on 11:20:29 PM / 28-May-10
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