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Title: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:27:51 PM / 05-May-11
Ok so i guess ill start this out now. I am the one that ended up with this gem. yes it is one hell of a car. its in outstanding shape. the paint is so clean. you would never guess it was 27 years old, and yes I am the 2nd owner. I think that may put me in a very elite club of s-12 owners :yes: so anyway, thanks to the help of walon its now home and in my garage, just dyeing to be put back on the road.

Well I guess Ill start by giving everyone a lil history, at least what i know. This car was taken off the lot brand new sometime in 1983. the guy that got it was planning on retiring in 85 and got it as a gift to himself. well he didnt retire and drove this thing to and from work for about 13-14 years. he babyed this car like you wouldnt beleave. He said that if he was my age he would replace the motor and keep it, said nothing was ever done except he had the timing belt replaced at 96k. I guess something went wrong and the cranck pully snapped off when he was driving down the road, but he said it didnt make any noise, it just died. he looked very sad to see it go, took one last picture and he even wanted to back it out of the drive way when walon and i were there to tow it home, he may have even had a little tear in his eye when we pulled away.

Today I started pulling stuff off the motor to see how much damage there really was. first thing i found was a brand new looking head. from the outside you can tell it was rebuilt cuz all the grees build up on the block just stops when you get to the head and it looks new. I pulled the valve cover and the inside looks the same, so I am going to assume the head had to have been rebuilt, hot tanked and all. The cam shaft turns a little, it looks to be at tdc cuz the intake lobe is just starting to open the cylinder 1 intake valve. it doesnt move much past that and stops, i turn it the other way and the exhaust valve does the same thing. I didnt want to pull the head just yet, not quite ready to dig that deap, but i needed to know why i had so little range when trying to turn the cam, so i pulled the plugs and i could see that piston 1 was up, i checked all 4 this way and the 2 i could see looked good. so now im thinking that this motor may not be in all that bad of shape. if thats the case it may be back on the road sooner than later. anyway here are some pics of the car in my garage, as i go i will unload pics on this thread so enjoy, and thanks to everyone for any help.


(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_200709.jpg)
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_200750.jpg)
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_200815.jpg)
here you can see the snapped off crank, If only they grew on trees
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_200834.jpg)
here you can see just how clean the head is,( and he said nothing was ever done) Ill take it, a new head, hell ya :yay!:
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_200911.jpg)
I know he wasnt compleatly full of crap, have you ever seen 27 year old paint that can still do this?
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_201055.jpg)
and the head lights work just fine...
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20110505_201151.jpg)
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: newby200sx on 10:28:58 PM / 05-May-11
damn you lucky bee!!!!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jeremy A on 10:59:48 PM / 05-May-11
So, damn, awesome!  S12's are the business.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:16:00 PM / 05-May-11
nice that is a nice silvia there, awesome find.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Drft-s12 on 12:42:59 PM / 06-May-11
Man i wish my paint was in that good of condition lol....i have the same car and my paint is oxidized to hell :\

Nice car though. I do recommend if your thinking of rebuilding the ca18 dont because the amount of money i spent on the rebuild i could of swapped in a Sr or at least a Ca18det.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 01:56:09 PM / 06-May-11
Ya I'm under a lot of presser on that issue. What I need to do is make it run again for a cheep as I can. If its running ok then my wife will be much more understanding on what I do to it. Once I get it up and drop the oil pan ill be able to know a lil more if it only needs a crank, then that's what it will get. For now.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: zastaba on 02:11:31 PM / 06-May-11
Looks great man. Sounds like it's found a good home. A ca18det is a pretty straight up swap and would give you more pep then the ca18et.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 05:55:13 PM / 06-May-11
Id love , just not right away.

Ok so today I dug a lil deeper. Took the valve cover back off, pulled the plugs back out, and I found a tap that wedges into the hole that's left on the end of the crank. Useing this I was able to turn the crank. First I turned the cam so all valves would clear, the I rotated the crank it spends freely, I checked all the plug ports and from what I can see everything moves up and down just fine. So I set the crank so all the pistons would clear and rotated through the cam shaft. All valves open and close fully, no issues. After that I figured id like to see how much compression the cylenders would make when hand cranking the thing. Stuck my compression tester in #1 and closed both intake and exhaust valves. Spun the crank and the needel didn't move at all. I even noticed that there wasn't any air moving out of the plug holes when the pistons would move up. So what's going on? I don't know, but as easy as it is to spin the crank it feels like there isn't any rings at all, and if there is, well, I'm going with not.

The good news now is that yes the head is good, and at very worst needs a valve job. Also thatt the rotating asimbly is probably good, but I need a crank cuz its broken. So that's where I'm at. As soon as I can do anything else ill post it here.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: 8SixS12 on 09:59:41 PM / 06-May-11
Really good find!  Reminds me of mine when I first got it.  Welcome to the club!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:35:49 AM / 08-May-11
FACK Very nice grab dude. The ONLY other color i would want to have other then mine (But yours has a full turbo kit).
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 07:22:15 AM / 08-May-11
imo swapping out the complete longblock is ur quickest and cheapest option. itll get the car up and running quick and u can always tear down the original motor later
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 04:00:51 PM / 10-May-11
ok so not much to update, all i have done is really clean the piss out of this thing, i waxed it the other day so now, the good news is the women is finally over the whole thing, and her wanting it out is no longer a problem. i still cant really drop any coin right yet, (i really need a job first,) but what i can do is countinue to tear it down and get it ready for a new motor. i would also keep cleaning the bay and anyother hard to get to spots. so thanks for the coments, if all goes well i will be driving withen the next few months.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 12:20:20 PM / 21-May-11
Ok, so everyone here knows how this goes. We sit around thinking how cool it would be to put motor x in our cars. Well, when you can't do anything but dream you end up doing a lot of that. Sooo keeping this thing compleatly stock is out the window. I have found way to many things wrong, that have To be fixed. I have been reading a lot into motors. A ca18det would be nice cuz its at home. Was in our cars other places, and is basicly the same block. However, they never sold in anything here in the us, so I need to know how to get by the dmv. My other choice at this point is a ka, and going t with it, but that's a more involved swap, plus its a non turbo motor. Really id rather not spend 2-300 bucks on a old beat up motor, if I am going to need to drop another grand in a few months anyway. I really just want to start driving it, but don't want to rush it so I'm going to ask everyone here. What do you guys think, ka or cadet. Who can help me find a busted det that has all the parts, that I can build. Ka's are a dime a dozon, but I need your help deciding. Thanks.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 01:02:45 PM / 21-May-11
ca18det

get on the NICO ca section and read around. shoot a few PMs to knowledgable members there and see where they say to get one or if they know of one available. post a wtb ad on nico too. you can do it on Zilvia too if u want. I have bought 2 things on zilvia ans got screwed both times so i dont bother with it. nothing but con-men on there imo

i would still just toss in a ca20 longblock and run it stock with all the original stuff for a while. btw even if u snag a second hand ca18det that maybe needs work u will still end up spending just as much or more than what u would spend if u just bought one from a stateside importer. 1400 bucks or so with get u a fresh one with good compression, warranty, and no parts missing
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 04:24:59 PM / 21-May-11
how about the install. I have read through the tech section on it over and over, it looks easy enough, however easy isnt the only worry. will it pass as the org motor at the dmv. will the smog hut notice its a twin cam not a single. I had a guy that passed my colt befor it was even done, so I know there are ways around it. I just dont feel like dealing with them is all. the blocks are the same right, so do the stock mounts work, how about tranny? should i use the det tranny, or the stock one. I am starting to look into it now, I have some things lined up so getting the motor may not be to hard, but I want to make sure I get everything I can, or need.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 06:21:49 PM / 21-May-11
if u do a very oem looking install you might pass just cuz ur car is originally turbo. but the evap diagram on the underside of the hood wont match up. i wouldnt even bother. dirty smog is easy and not that expensive here. making it look stock and have all the smog crap is a big pain in the ass anyways.

you can use the s13 trans that comes with the motor if u want. it takes more modification but after ur done the shifter will sit in a more comfortable location anyway.  or just use ur stock tranny. it bolts right up without any issue. dnt worry about wheather the B trans can "handle" the power or not. trannies can pop at any time on any car.

yes mounts work fine. the motor will (should) come with the mount brackets which will bolt straight to the s12 mounts.. or s13 mounts, s14 mounts, usdm/jdm, stock or nismo or any aftermarket or hockey pucks. doesnt matter.

the swap is very simple and straight forward. and rewarding. The ca18det is everything the S12 was lacking in the US originally.. POWER

IMO just get a reliable motorset from a reputable importer and swap it in stock, simplified, and refreshed. dirty smog, register and drive it. then do suspension as u desire (street or track) and then do simple and effiecient mods to the motor later
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: phantommaggot2 on 11:48:35 AM / 24-May-11
MAN i wish the car i inherited was that clean on the outside...

you could always get a SOCH ka... probably dirt cheap if your in the right spots.
not exactly the most powerful thing out there.. but it works.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 12:58:46 PM / 26-May-11
ok so im having more and more reservations on swapping the motor. when i got this thing the plan was to stick with the single cam and go from there. i would love to take the easy road and just swap the det but for some reason the more i read up, the more part of me wants to ust build the et. so we will see. I just thought id put my thoughts up for everyone to read. when your jobless, and board out of your own head this is what happens.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jay on 07:53:51 PM / 26-May-11
When I was jobless, and bored, I swapped to a KA.
Just my thoughts...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:39:48 AM / 27-May-11
Well if you do decide to swap I will def take your single cam off your hands....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 02:38:32 AM / 27-May-11
^NOOOOOOO!!!!!! STOP IT!!! no more singles!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Roof on 02:01:14 PM / 27-May-11
yawh, I sold my sohc ka for 100 bucks with tranny.  I'd go with the ca18det fo sho though!  I <3 mine
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 04:01:54 PM / 27-May-11
Lol I still have plans for the single cam so I will continue to collect parts for it.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: tommy on 08:26:26 PM / 27-May-11
ca18det bottom for reliability... shouldn't be too hard or expensive to dig out
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 09:10:46 PM / 27-May-11
i spent some time kinda braking it all down for my women, she had that blank "what the fuck are you saying" look, you know the one you get everytime you open your mouth about anything in front of someone that is machanically retarded. well i think i convinced myself to stick it out with the et. I am not going to swap out the long block for a quick fix, I am looking at a quick fix but it will start with a crank so if some one can hook me up with just a crank for like cheep or FREE,,,, then I can get this thing back on the road a lil faster. anyway, what I need other than that is a set of rings, barings, and a full gasket set, oh and the crank pulley. with that i plan on doing a nice clean up of the whole motor, a quick mic of the crank,(if needed) a simple drill hone, and then Ill put it back together like that. it may not have the best compression numbers because it may need to be bored out but I know that as long as there isnt any obvious damage, this will work fine, and will likely run another 60k or more miles. hell the motor only had 97k org anyway. so thats were i am at, when I am working again I will work on getting a rebuildable 2nd compleat rebuildable et, and i will work on fortifying it to handle around 225-250. thats about all i want, and because from what i can tell, that isnt really a stretch if you do all the suporting mods and build the bottom end. so anyway for now its onto my parts list. I amlooking for donations here!!!!! no really if you got some shit your going to toss, that looks like it could be used hit me up. The faster I find a crank, the faster another s-12 will be on the road.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: tommy on 10:37:42 PM / 27-May-11
Have you tried to put some oil down the plug holes when you did your compression test?? cuz you said the valves looked fine looking under the valve cover, but they can still be bended really bad without being able to see the damage from the top.  That would give you no compression at all... bad rings have to be really really really bad or missing (which I don't expect from a 97k engine) to not be able to give 1psi of compression....

best way to know the states of your valves is to lift the head up... but if you put down some oil in the combustion chamber through the plug holes and numbers get up or you get at least some compression, then you most likely have bad rings, if it doesn't help,  then your valves are bended all the way. 

If you add up the price of a crank (maybe free) but a set of rings, a gasket kit, a set of bearing, a front pulley, then you are speaking of a couple hundred bucks... and if your valves are bended, then you can expect even more.... all of that is probably higher than the price of a decent original bottom end, or a nice det bottom end, if indeed you don't need valves.  If you do, then it would add up to more than what a sohc or even a dohc ka would cost and both have higher numbers stock than the ca18et does, which makes it an upgrade no matter what...

I truly understand your problem here, I have a wife too... but in the end, all that matters to them is the total$$$ at the end of your equation... do the maths, you will not win by rebuilding the ca18et. 

Don't get me wrong, I really like the engine, and brits have pulled 300+ poneys out of them, but it is not a cheap option... ka24 with a simple bellhousing swap will allow you to use your current tranny/driveshat, no modifications required.  It slips on your stock motor mount, and wiring is like 7 spliced wires away... you can pull it off in a weekend on next to no budget, on your own...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:16:00 AM / 28-May-11
for realies what he said ^

except KAs arent cheao here and the 240 kids have all the junkyard KAs on lockdown

imo either swap out the longblock with either a ca20e or ca18et quick and easy or go full status CA18DET swap. all that work and all those parts are gonna nickel and dime u to death. plus it might not run when ur done cuz the damage could be greater than u think. just snag a ca20!! make a WTB thread. or we can make a drive to socal. i need to go anyways
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:26:22 AM / 28-May-11
well if you wait a few months, I'll be junking my CA20E when I get it here to vegas for something better ;-)
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:09:57 AM / 28-May-11
Hey wondering what condition is that ca20? I may have to take it off your hands if deco doesn't want it.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:50:17 AM / 28-May-11
well I do 100% both agree and understand you guys. and really at no time have I ever expected that this was going to be a   200$ project with a nice running car at the end. though for right now money is the biggest problem, its not always going to be. I am a union electrician, ya theres no work in vegas, now but this town always turns arownd, and with the fact that none of the casinos have been able to remodel for over 2 years now, when things really start getting better (by the way they reported a >50% increase in revenue for the last quarter) they are all going to start remodling, rebuilding, adding new towers. I make 40 bucks an hour working, when that happens, money stops being a problem. for now the only reason I am trying to find deals on parts or on anything really, is so I know I can get them/ have them, so I can just get started on something. I will be keeping the stock motor, but I will not be keeping it stock, the only thing that will change that for me is if when I do finally pull it, when I open it up if there is a hole or something in one of the cylinder walls, or something that would render it nothing more than a paperweight. I do appreciate your concerns, really I do, but the only reason I ever made this about money is because I dont have any, right now... anyway as for the oil thing, your right about the dry cylinders, never really thought about dumping oil in there to try and get a seal. I also still think its the head, I just dont think its the valves. mane reason is its all 4 cylinders, and if there were bent valves at most it would be like 2, plus I thought this was a non interference motor? anyway when I rotate the cam I checked the rocker arm clearances, and all 8 valves are withen specs. I dont know about any of you but if the valves were bent, i dont think they would close all the way, and that would leave a gap in my rocker lobe clearances wouldnt it? Hell I dont know, Im not even really a mechanic, I like working on cars but I am a hobbyist so I am sure I am way off on a lot of things.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:56:21 PM / 28-May-11
Yeah that is one thing about vegas, one day there is work for union members and one day there isn't. That is one of the reasons why people love this town, there is always money to be made here, things always to be built, but that CA18et should be an interference motor, so maybe there is something else that happened inside eh? for it to loose the big crank pully like that, something doesn't seem right inside. Maybe things didn't get Torqued right and when it ran it went boom!

But if it gets to the point and you need money, let me know I'll defiantly buy that s12 from you ;-)

@sideways the CA20E I have the head rebuilt already, with all new 8 valve stems and so on, it's like a brand new head. I still have to pull the bottom half and get it resurfaced and rebuild the lower half. I'm saving up for an ca18det right now instead for that s12.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: tommy on 04:40:40 PM / 28-May-11
Sorry guys, but the ca18et and the ca20e are both interference engines... as almost every single nissan engines built those days (fj, vg, ka...).  Hell, they even had to develop a special non interference vg30 to drop in the mercury villager/nissan quest, because ford didn't want to have an interference engine in the van....

So yeah, snap the timming belt and you can kiss 4 out of the 8 valve that are in there goodbye... leaving at the best one cylinder untouched, one cyl with both valves out of business and the other 2 cyl with the intake in one and the exhaust in the other bended... pretty sad isn't it... if you only jump a couple of tooth on the timming belt (5 to 10) and both the top end AND the bottom end continue turning, then you can almost kiss all of your valves good bye
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:01:42 AM / 29-May-11
Very good to know, I'm not sure where I read that it wasn't, and I could have read it wrong, but that tends to make more since because I have contact at certain cam angles. If what the po told me, about the event that killed the motor, was true then id say the valves are for sure shot, and from what you say, if skipped a few teeth and left to run it will kill all the valves, then ya the head would probably be toast. Only problem with that is what the po told me about the events, make no since at all. I really have no reason to beleave what he told me. However, a version of what he said is likely. Anyway I'm not going to try and guess at what could be wrong with it. When I pull the head, ill know. I was really just trying to come up with any other rason why it would lack compression in all 4 cylenders. When I was looking at the car for the first time I remember I was thinking just by looking at the carnage was that when the timing belt was changed at, I think he said 90k they didn't change the tensioner, or it wasn't put back together quite right, and it made the belt slip, once the valves started making contact it could have locked up the crank and julted so hard it snapped the crank pully right off. However, again that's just what I was thinking when I first seen it. Once it came home and I found just how easy it all turned, I kinda had to give that one up. I guess I started thinking it would be one less thing to fix. But I know the truth, its probably shot.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: tommy on 11:07:47 AM / 29-May-11
Happened to me too... the timing belt tensionner wasn't replaceby the PO who had just change the timming belt... well I was lucky, the belt jumped 3 tooth, just enough for the engine to shut down going 80 on the highway, but just enough for the valves not to make contact...  open it up, you'll know for sure
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:44:07 AM / 29-May-11
Ya that's about all I can do, I don't really feel like trying to guess.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 01:32:24 PM / 29-May-11
imo I wouldnt try to build the ca18et for power. 3 reasons

the head flows for shit

it doesnt rev (cuz of valve train)

the ecu will NEVER be able to keep up no matter what. the TPS isnt a potentiometer that sends 0-5v, its just a WOT switch. SAFC is useless on it cuz of the TPS

oh and the rods are a lot thinner than the dohc CAs so 4 reasons :p

imo either do MILD upgrades for modest power (below 200whp) or swap to ca18det, mod that and go make 300+ all day
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:50:36 PM / 29-May-11
Safc is not totally useless I started getting better readings when I took a crap load of fuel out just took a lil longer then I wanted and then wound up stretching the head bolts and then the ecu took a shit on me lol....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: tommy on 03:07:09 PM / 29-May-11
Dohc bottom end on a sohc can get you to 300+ hp, but it won't be as cheap as using the complete dohc engine... if you want to keep it more "original" though, it would be the way to go...

Megasquirt for fuel and spark management and a nice big turbo + a way of reducing air intake temperature (meth injection or I/C) would easily get you in the 200+ range on a nice bottom end (read dohc here ;) ) for more than that, you'll have to dig deep in your pockets and start working on the top end, replacing every single things in there, but no matter how big you oversize the valves or port the head, you'll never approach the kind of flow that the dohc head can give you, in fact, I believe that a stock ca dohc head can outflow almost any worked ca sohc head, almost...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 08:50:26 PM / 29-May-11
and on top of that the dohc REVs much higher. 2000 rpm higher. that equals a lot of difference in CFM and you need that CFM to make power
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 05:30:34 PM / 31-May-11
I am a union electrician

Holy Shit.  Never thought I'd find anther IBEW member here in Vegas who is also into S12's.  I know what you're talking about with the whole work picture and everything.   I'm a first year wireman apprentice.  I was a second year low voltage tech apprentice, but the work picture was so bad they let some of us switch over.  I was laid off for a year before finally going back to work last October.  Totally fucked my S12 plans.  Currently have 2 s12's, an 84 Turbo that i picked up for next to nothing and an 85 hatch that I started a ka24e swap on.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 05:40:23 PM / 31-May-11
lvDave!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf! havent heard from u in forever!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 06:38:39 PM / 31-May-11
lvDave!!!!!!!!!!!!! wtf! havent heard from u in forever!

Well I've had a pretty crazy last few years.  I graduated high school.  Got my girlfriend pregnant.  Went on a crazy job hunt, applied everywhere to try and get the best job possible.  Started working at Costco while I waited for responses from the unions I applied to.  Then I got accepted into the low voltage program with IBEW 357.  I wanted to be a real electrician but the pay was the same so I said fuck it.  Then my daughter was born.  I wanted a newer safer car to drive my daughter in, so I bought a new Mustang GT.  Shortly after I bought a house.  I had saved every paycheck I made at Costco for my down payment.  It was perfect timing too because the housing market had just crashed, bringing prices and interest rates down.  Then I worked for a little while longer till City Center was finished.  I was then laid off for the next year till I was allowed to change programs, into the wireman electrician program and go back to work.

Last november picked up an 84 Turbo for $260 running, the guy didn't know how to tighten the alternator belt.  I put a t25 on it and had some fun with it for the next couple months.  Then one day driving home it lost oil pressure.  Figured it was just the gauge and kept driving home.  When I got home there was a weird scraping sound from near the oil pump and the sound of the turbo blades hitting the housing.  I have the motor out now and internally it seems fine.  I'm going to freshen it up, throw in a new oil pump, and put it back in.

In December I got into an accident in my Mustang.  Made a left on a regular green light.  There was a dip on the other side of the road that can hide a hole car in it, so I didn't see a girl driving a Camry coming straight towards the intersection and she went right into the right rear quarter of the car.  The thing is it was a 30mph road and the point of impact was only 3' away from the back of the car, If she had swerved or slowed at all it would've avoided the accident.  But those are very hard things to prove to an insurance company, so I got stuck with all the blame.  So I bought a new Ford Fiesta as a family car, and am just trying to finish my projects now.

I'm really looking to get back into the s12 scene and plan to start drifting the 84 turbo a little when it's done
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jeremy A on 06:56:22 PM / 31-May-11
What's up fellow LV S12 brosky,  sounds like a nuts couple of years man!  I like that you like Ford like I do, with a sweet GT and a sick new Fiesta too,  kick-ass.  And seriously,  I hear about more and more S12er's in Las Vegas all the time,  I can't wait until the day that we can unite.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 07:05:13 PM / 31-May-11
damn youve been busy. good shit tho. congrats on ur daughter and ur house. shit im way older than u and ur already way ahead of me.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:29:37 PM / 31-May-11
I am a sr tech on the low volt side of things, where did you work last befor your layoff. I had a bunch of friends that were all 3rd year in the low volt side and they all got offered to move, but finished befor they could. now they, are sitten on there asses just like me waiting for something thats not going to come, (well not yet). anyway me and the women have been doing ok for 18 months now on my 400 a week, she works also, but you would know that when I do get back to work, money really wont be an issue with my build, bring home for me with out any ot is around the 13-1400 weekly area. so if 400 is getting us by, an extra 1000....... oh ya, now if i can just get a call. number 3 and nothing.....

Post Merge: 10:36:46 PM / 31-May-11
i should have looked at your whole post befor i added. anyway I see you were at city center, who did you work under over there? and walon dont think of it as he is ahead of you, think of it as your just kinda taking your time. I also bought a house young, but a nasty divorce later, to a bit@# who like black jack, and not only my house, but my cars, bike, and credit all went with it. so be happy about taking your time, really
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Redneck on 11:20:45 PM / 31-May-11
Then my daughter was born.  I wanted a newer safer car to drive my daughter in, so I bought a new Mustang GT.

In December I got into an accident in my Mustang.

The textbook in my speech class defines this scenario as "the self fulfilling prophecy" hahaha.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 05:21:20 PM / 01-Jun-11
Hey Deco.  I worked in the convention center at City Center then later moved to the podium with Gary Locke as my GF.  Steve Blankey was my foreman in the convention center and I was usually the only person on his crew.  In the podium my foreman was Jay Dubiago, he was a fucking douche bag.

My name is Dave Sibilia if that rings a bell.

Also, sweet s12.  I saw it when it was posted on craigslist.  You're lucky I didn't have a place to park it, otherwise I would've bought it  :laugh:.  As far as motors go, I think you should just throw a ca20e or ca18et long block in there for the time being just to get it going.  You could piece together a nice suspension for it.  Then when work picks up again, you can worry about making some power.  I'd recommend a det at that point though.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 05:37:04 PM / 01-Jun-11
I don't know why your name isn't ringing A bell at this time. my name is Ben Easter,  I worked under jay for a long time. I was the tech running the  wireless crew, befor lock was a gf. Then I went to the data crew working under the slot floor, with zogg as the formen.

As for the motor, I would toss a long block in if I had one, tossing 200 bucks out on a used unk condition motor really isn't an option. I don't need this thing running, I have a good daily, I just don't want any dumb short cuts. When I was at city cinter I was finishing up my 4g63t swapped colt, that was a blast but didn't last long due to a bad oil pump. I was really spent with fwd cars and needed a new project. Been looking at the s-12 for a long time now so when this thing came up I jumped on it.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 05:41:36 PM / 01-Jun-11
I remember you.  You went to work on zoggs crew the same week I went to work with Jay.  You were working with Mark and Chris, chris switched to the wireman side too.

You could probably get a ca20e longblock off a forum member for $100 or less. 
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:11:26 PM / 01-Jun-11
Oh hell I think I remember now, I think you, mark, and I all got into some car talk the day befor I went to the other crew. Well shit man good to hear your worken, and chris also. If you see him tell that fool I said what's up. Anyway if I found a usable ca20 for under 100 bucks id have to piss off the women a 2nd time and buy it also. So with that said I am looking for a long block. Ca20 or 18. Needs to look usable. Not loooking for a great motor here but One that will run and not smoke. I don't have any money right now, but for the right price I can work on something. I do however have a nice set of skills. Need a nice sound system in your home, cable, phone, data, wires running all over your house? Ill fix it up for ya.....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 05:58:24 PM / 09-Jun-11
Hey Deco.  Didn't have a chance to reply earlier.  My daughter got a pretty serious burn from a hot bowl of oatmeal.  She's doing fine now, kids heal crazy quick.

I definitely remember you telling me about your Colt.  Swapping the long blocks sounds like a great idea.  That way you can play with the car a little and set up a nice suspension for it.  Then when you're back to work it's only one paycheck for a CA18DET.  I know if you're anything like me, you've blown a paycheck on worse things before, lol.

Anyways, I'm going to pm you my number.  Maybe I can help you with that long block swap. 
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 06:20:26 PM / 09-Jun-11
Hell sorry to hear about you baby, and glad she is good now. Ill be glad to hit you up when its time to do the real work on it. Cool thing about this s-12 there are a lot of them here in vegas so help may not be so hard to come by, my colt, well not one person ever came over to help, not one. I did everything solo. Kinda shocked looking back on ijt that I ever pulled it off.... anyway ya, if I can get a long block ill swap it in for now, and then...... well F-it will got det. No reason to fight it. Everyone here is right about it way spend a ass load on a motor that will only make me nuts.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:06:26 AM / 14-Jun-11
Ok..... today should be the day...... well not the day I get me car going, but the day I start putting the money together for it. Looks like I'm going back to work. So with that said, I won't be on here posting useless posts as much, but when I do post, it will be because I have money to buy things...... like a ca18det....... unless I get a long block befor I save enough money...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 02:08:26 AM / 15-Jun-11
congratz!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:50:34 AM / 15-Jun-11
Fuck ya its 6am and I'm at a job sight. Been a long time. But there is money up in that tower. A lot of it to. As soon as I put a few checks together ill start buying shit. When that happens ill change the title to " I'm now building it, skip to page____."
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:11:00 PM / 24-Jun-11
Lol good shit.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 04:37:50 PM / 23-Jul-11
Ok everyone, as i said the last time here i would be doing something soon, well here goes. I will be dropping around 1500-2k in augest on it. I have not only decided, but have my first of 2 motors ill be building for this, all lined up. it will be Ka and ill be doing a mostly stock rebuild with a low boost turbo set up to start things off. I know i was talking about leaving it alone but there are problems with the exterior of this car. inside is good, but i will be needen a new front lip, driver side fender, and door. the po had a lil damage thats a lil worse than looks from the outside. i pulled the door, and started to drop the bumper and fender to try and bend parts back but someone already tried that so theres not much left to work with now. Anyway i will be painting it, it will be like a satin olivey green, with satin black roof, hood, hatch and plastics. well thats what im wanting but we will see how that ends up. anyway i am also thinking i want to run a 3" downpipe and as soon as it bends under the fire wall id like to split the exhaust into a pair of 2.25-2.5" pipes going back to some magnaflows. what does anyone here think. how big of a down pipe can get me under the car? i have seen alot of guys sayen its a tight run, but i wont be running a v6 or v8 so i should have a bit more room right?
well thats it for now, soon enough ill be posting pics. if anyone has any ideas about the exaust please post them up. thanks
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 07:14:47 PM / 23-Jul-11
ahhhh!

No KA. i can see why u dont want to keep the ca18et. thats understandable. and maybe u have some strange reason for not liking the ca18det.. who knows.(even tho in naturally belongs in the S12 chassis)  But jesus please dont go KA. SR20DET!!!!!! is the next logical step.  KA+T has money holes in its build progression. think in terms of HP per Dollar

No green. For the love of god keep the rare turbo orange. hit up Keith for the color code info. parts of his car have been resprayed and i've never been able to tell which parts

single 3" exhaust from the turbo back. 1 turbo means 1 exhaust pipe

my suggestions are based on experience and opinion. ignore as necessary
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 09:41:07 PM / 23-Jul-11
 The ka is a decision that has taken a very long time to come to. Getting a 18det will be more money than building a ka. I have found a few 18det's out there but never for under 7 or 800, and that's going to need some work. I'm not out to buy someone elses used headache. I want a compleatly rebuilt motor. Something new, when I was looking for a det I was looking for one that needed a rebuild. But even worse is, the small stuff. The dumb little parts that are only a few bucks but on a ca or sr, new impossable to find. I don't need that. I want a 18det. Really I do, I would prefer that, but I had to get over the want and be realistic. This will be my dd when its done. The hyundai is going be bye, and I need this car to be 100% all the time. I have heard all the storys about ka's but I have also read all the builds that went well. Anyway unless a rebuildable det fell in my lap with a price tag of say oh I don't know, 2-300 bucks, ka will be my choice. And as for the paint. YES!!!!! I was trying to get a reaction from someone. The car will remain copper, but I will be adding a lil satin black for some 2 tone action.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jeremy A on 10:08:02 PM / 23-Jul-11
Your build sounds like it will have some good thought behind it man.  It will be a solid, reliable KAT I'm sure,  I'm extremely stoked for whatever plans you decide on.  I've become a die hard CA18DET lover like Waylon,  and my S12's gonna get one no matter what the time or cost!  Haha,  that's just me though,  and I get your reasoning for the KA.  Keep us posted my man!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 10:48:43 PM / 23-Jul-11
blah! the cheap boosted KA myth? still?

u gotta do more research man. A good KA+T will cost quite a bit more than u think
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:48:55 PM / 23-Jul-11
Don't you have a ka sittin in someones storage lol j/k quit fuckin around and start the car already lol
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:33:28 PM / 23-Jul-11
for the price an sr20 would be easier no?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:42:15 PM / 23-Jul-11
 thanks guys, and for real, if at any time a good det rolls my way for cheep, the ka will get pulled right then. Its kinda like settling but for the one reason of just plane desire, I want my car done. I know I have to wait it out, and I will, I just don't want to wait the kind of time it would take for the det, or an sr.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:46:59 PM / 23-Jul-11
ka's are reliable truck motors anyways :-) if you want it running, just slap a ka and call it good :-)
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:20:24 PM / 24-Jul-11
Pretty much
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 12:28:59 AM / 05-Aug-11
Just another pointless update as I have nothing really new to share but the fact that I have yet to save even one dime for this car. I have however paid off 18 months of unemploid bills, and got the ok to pull 200-250 a week off my checks for 3-4 months depending on what I want to do. Sooooo now I may flipflop again, I may have to go with a cadet. No worrys jason, my old stuff, it still has your name on it.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:54:35 PM / 05-Aug-11
Haha works for me and like I said the ka I have isn't going anywhere it'll be in my storage till I leave this shit hole town which is atleast another 8 months for sure I'm sure you'll have made your decision by then lol....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:33:27 PM / 06-Aug-11
Ok so ya its been decided. The boss said she didn't think it would be a good idea to settle with a ka. So she is also insisntant I go with a ca. Now I need to decide. Should I peace a motor together, or should I just buy a compleat swap. And if I do that, who should I go through. If someone has a good importer, let me know. Id like to get a motor on its way in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:47:20 AM / 07-Aug-11
Just go with a full swap not sure which is the best importer as my car came with the swap already but I hear good things about jhott they are reliable atleast that's what I'm told I haven't actually used them....I say talk to keith as he had one imported and was fairly pleased with the transaction....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:15:22 AM / 08-Aug-11
Thanks. I will try them out. I have been looking at place after place and seems everytime I find one that looks good someone has something bad to say about them, like I never got my motor, I can't get ahold of them...... however there are always some good things said also. Oh well,  I'm sure ill find something. Only problem is, befor when I started to look at the ka was because I couldn't find a ca. However I have something I didn't have then, a job..........
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 03:27:27 AM / 17-Sep-11
 So I am sitting pulled over in front of a car dealership cuz the wether sucks big ass. I am some place just outside of provo UT, and the highway is flooded in to many places. Well my car has a cold air intake, and its low, and I don't really feel like getting stranded in UT. So can you guess what I stuffed into the back of my lil hyundai accent. How about a picture.............


 (http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/PART_1316243329199.jpg)

So what do you all think. If th rain clears up ill drive home and get better pictures. For now though its 130 in the morning and I'm spent so I guess ill take a nap.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:32:43 AM / 17-Sep-11
I see a tranny and something orange o_O
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jeremy A on 12:15:08 PM / 17-Sep-11
Ooooh!  Did you find a CA18DET man?!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 02:43:18 PM / 17-Sep-11
Looks like a cadet, how much did that run you?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Arro on 04:35:35 PM / 17-Sep-11
Looks like an FJ. One can only hope.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 12:09:39 AM / 18-Sep-11
No fj, I wish. It is a ca18det. Picked it up for a steel, well I'm still in hope. I got it from a kid who said he couldn't finish do to lack of funds. He got it from his friend who had the same issue. His friend got it from a guy who said it was just built. Well who knows its a compleat swap, and looks ok but the kid didn't know when the last time or if it had been started so I got it as a non running compleat swap for 600. So for I have found it has a brand new act clutch and pressure plate. Some kinda light flywheel. Hks waste gate, arp head studs, some kind of mls head gasket, and the head is freshly rebuilt. Who knows how long ago it was done, but it has never even had oil ran through it. You can just see all the assembly lube. Tomorrow ill pull the head and take a look. From the spark plug holes it looks to be new down there also. If so, then we can all agree it is the biggest score ever.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jeremy A on 01:41:02 AM / 18-Sep-11
Biggest    Score     Ever      for sure.    Congrats on that fantastic motor and deal!  I'll be out around 3x that much when I order mine!  I'm stoked for your build too man.  Awesome shit.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 02:43:38 AM / 18-Sep-11
WTF seriously?? that is a hell of a steal
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:35:27 PM / 19-Sep-11
Not bad at all awesome find especially if there's truth to everything the kid told you....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:35:47 PM / 29-Sep-11
ok so i got the motor all torn down, it does need work so my great score just fell apart. i have been quoted 500 for the machine work i need done, and i will need some pistons and a gaskit set. i have them priced at about 550 for both. thats with forged pistons. so i got to put about a grand into my 600$ motor, but then it will be brand new, and well thats what i would have spent on a motor from over seas and it would not have been fresh. so im still very happy with my find, i have a new act clutch and pressure plate, also a new light fly wheel, all new arp hardware, new water and oil pumps, plus whatever else is new. so im happy with it. the head and block will be going to the shop next week and as soon as i get my pistons they will do the bore. other than that i will also begain ordering my shocks, i havent decided on tokico whites, or kyb agx's, but i should have them in the next few weeks. i was also looking at wheels, i cant decide, someone help me out, i dont think i want meshies any more, maybe some work equip 03's, (well knock offs) well thats all for now thanks for reading.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 10:57:48 PM / 29-Sep-11
Still Not to bad, I payed 1300 for mine and the bearings need replacing (Have not pulled the head to check the water jackets and valves yet but it was running). Where are you ordering your parts from??
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: vegasS12 on 12:34:34 PM / 30-Sep-11
good shit just save your money and buy legit works man screw knock off's everyone has them in vegas lol
keep up the good work son!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:05:46 PM / 30-Sep-11
well on the good side, atleast 1600 is better then buying the motor set for 1200 to 1500 (depends on the importer) and having to put another 1000 in rebuilding it.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 06:55:21 AM / 04-Oct-11
Ya that's why I got it, I knew I wanted a fresh motor, one of the reasons I was thinking ka cuz I could get it cheep and rebuild. But for this I already have much of the brand new. Parts, just need to order the extras. As for where I will get the parts I really don't know. I checked the cylinders with a bore gauge and the so close to spec I. Almost think it will live with a good hone. The one scrach you can feel with your finger nail is about  .1mm. Other than that they look good. It would save a lot to use the what look like new oem pistons. Anyway ill let the shop decide that. Thanks for the comments, and I will avoid knock off, cheepo parts every possable chance I get.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:02:32 PM / 06-Oct-11
So what shop did you decide on for the machine work?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 09:43:47 PM / 17-Nov-11
ok so i have been absent for a bit, but not compleatly. i have been working on things trying to get this motor up a built to go into the car. so, first off, the head is done and ready, i forgot to take pics befor i rapped it up but you can kinda see its awsumeness. also i dropped the block off at the shop, the guy went through it with a fine tooth comb and well it looks to be well withen speck. good news because im going for a stock build. so i finally started to put it back together after it was cleaned and honed, and painted. i decided to paint it myself when it got home, i didntr want the freez plugs to over power the rest of the block so i decided to paint them black also. anyway, so this is kinda where i am, im waiting on my new rings, then ill finish up the block, and then it will be on to getting into the car. so next up are pics. thanks all.


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Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:27:24 AM / 18-Nov-11
Looking good bro what shop did you decide on to do the machine work?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: s12sweden on 11:23:12 AM / 18-Nov-11
deco : So good S12 project you have ;)
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:54:01 AM / 30-Nov-11
I took it to fultzs, (I think that's how its spelled) the head came out grerat. He inspected the block said it was withen spec, and did a hone. Said it would be good for a stock build up but that he doesn't think I should be getting to carried away. We talked about me getting a second block in better shape, and doing a full on build. But for now I can get my car up and running.  Its been hard getting anything going cuz the job I'm on finally went into overtime, so I'm here 6 10s. But with christmas comeing up I may not get to put much of that into the car. I am ordering a bushing kit this weekend, and maybe some new shocks. I want to build the cool guy coil overts but can't put that much in the car just yet so I will just start getting the parts. For now, what do you all think I should do to lower the car a few inches. Maybe even 1? Cut springs? Is the another option, that really cheep for a few months. If I get the bay all cleaned out this week I can have my motor in, and be ready to get it driveable. I just don't care much for the 4x4 look. Anyway I'm rambling. Thanks for looking ill get pics of the car next.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: vegasS12 on 11:50:35 AM / 30-Nov-11
just save your money and do it rite the first time. Be patient with it and buy all you need over time. just my .02 cents

keep the updates coming
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:48:41 AM / 01-Dec-11
you can go with cheap canucks in the rear I can't remember what I have in the front but when I remember i'll let you know but it's low not super low but looks good for the time being.....

Post Merge: 01:49:27 AM / 01-Dec-11
Btw how much did the machine work cost you for both the block and head....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:29:35 AM / 03-Dec-11
The head had a full valve job, and replaced a few guides, also replaced one seat. Hot tanked, regrind on all seats, and it has a fresh cut. Its clean and was right around 200 bucks. I think like 220 or something. I got it back a few months ago, so I don't remember exactly. As for the block I was trying to find some oem .5 over pistons cuz I really just want a stock motor. Well I have had no luck. So I took the block in a few weeks ago just to see what he could do with what I had. He said the clearance on my block and pistons was close but for a reliable stock build it would be good. So he honed out all cylenders, checked the deck, and checked the crank bore. I paid him 80 bucks for it. After talking to him about the motor and its stock numbers he seems to think ill be good for a 25-50 over stock for a long time. So I'm happy, that's all I really wanted a mostly stock, with good intake, exhaust, and turbo, ca18 that could give me a very relyable 220 or so on pump gas with stock ecu, and a lil fuel correction.  Anyway I was looking a this ae86 I seen in a video a long ass time ago, and it has this front lip that keeps the 80s car bumber like on our cars but just looks bitchen, and I was wondering if anyone has tried using any other body parts fron old 86's on s-12s. Ok, that's all I got thanks again for any info and for looking,....... (oh and reading, dispite my horrable spelling and grammer).................
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 04:19:12 PM / 03-Dec-11
Ae86 is way norrower then our s12's.. People have used s13 bumpers on our cars tho
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 12:26:01 AM / 17-Dec-11
ya im not looking to change the look of the car to much, i like the wedge just wish i could create more room behind the lower part of the bumper for a good size ic. the few cars with s-13 kits i have seen have been ok, there was one that the kit looked like it was made for the car, it looked really nice, but even that took way to much from the cars original styling. hell even the ebuni kit doesnt look all that great. its ok though the car with the turbo kit on it is the way is was ment to be.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:41:31 PM / 10-Jan-12
ok so i finally got started. i was going to be out of work for a few months, had a few days off, but now there keeping me busy again. well i got some stuff done, got the old motor out, funny thing i pulled the head, and if you remember way back i couldnt get the thing to read any compression at all. not even 1psi, well there were no bent valvs, the rings seem really good. the block looks great, but it looks like the po tried to resurface the head with like 20 grit sand paper. the whole thing has big groovs all the way up and down, so sad. not only that but all but 3 head bolts were missing the washers, and the tranny only had 3 bolts holding it to the motor, of witch only 2 were even all the way in. this was such a sad job. but its getting a new heart, and im degreasing, and pressure washing the bay, and whole underside this week. well i took a few pics so here ya go.

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look close and you can see the groovs. there really deep and only look ok because there is still gasket stuck to it.
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20120109_100043.jpg)
oh and i got this kit also. :yes:
 well thats it for now. if all goes well ill be ready to drop a motor in there next week some time. then it will be time for some wheels, and maybe it will be driveable in a few more weeks.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 11:08:33 PM / 10-Jan-12
Oh my god, Sounds like someone i know must have built that motor and tried to put it back in the car! LMFAO :D
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 08:00:12 PM / 11-Jan-12
well, the only thing that i am finding to be even close to what i was sold is a very clean s12, with working electronics. other than that, the po was a compleat jack ass......... but its ok, cuz there is a jap classic car meet here in town, and today i got the offical "vacation" request so if i can get this thing road worthy by feb 5th it will be there.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Prolowtone on 09:24:06 PM / 11-Jan-12
A good body and electrical are always a good place to start tho. Thats why i bought my car, I new the motor was iffy, they told me they rebuilt it and alarms went off in my head, Not to mention it was missing and smoking when i fired it up  :P. Time to haul ass on your build so you can be there dude
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:02:19 AM / 13-Jan-12
damn dude I wouldn't have thought it would have been that bad lol is the head even salvageable I'm not sure I want the motor anymore lol who am I kidding lol I'll still take it hahaha nice work on the progress tho...more pics please
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 06:48:00 PM / 21-Jan-12
ok work is still going but there still is sooo much to do that i am very busy. i have everything but the cross member pulled out now, cleaned up and fresh  black paint on all. im keepen my stock rims for now, but hate the captive roters. so, who has a fix. i need a few studs replaced anyway, but would rather lose the stock set up and i am not going s-13. anyway i should have some pictures of progress soon, just putting most my time into getting it done. well, if anyone knows the answer please speak up. thanks.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 12:28:23 PM / 28-Jan-12
hate the captive roters. so, who has a fix. i need a few studs replaced anyway, but would rather lose the stock set up and i am not going s-13.

Only way to keep a stock style front suspension would be to convert to five lug using some z31 parts.  Start with SE struts up front, then use the hub and brakes from an 87-89 z31 turbo.  These brakes are decent sized 2 pots, very similar to the j30/q45 brakes that 240sx guys use.  Serial 9 and Stance both make adapters so you can run a coilover on this style strut, if you later choose to do that.  For the rear you can use 87-89 z31 brakes with vented rotors.  You have to use the whole control arm assembly, which is a plus because they will increase your track by 10mm on each side.  The non turbo cars use the same 6 bolt flange to mate to the halfshafts that your s12 uses.  Turbos use 4 bolts. 

I have a lot of these parts in my shed if you're interested.  I have The SE struts, you'd have to find the turbo hubs and brakes at the junkyard.  They pop up from time to time in the junkyards, but some kid who drives a 280zx slammed on moon dish wheels seems to always beat me to them.  Then I also have the rear control arms and brakes from an 88t z31. They have the 4 bolt inner hub so you'd have to grab some 6 bolt inner hubs from the junkyard.  Or if you want a fairly cheap solution that alloys you run an s13 vlsd you can use a hybrid combination of j30 and s12/z31 halfshafts combined with you're s12 inner hubs.  I have more info on that you're interested, it would allow you to run an lsd for under $200.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:49:05 AM / 31-Jan-12
LVDAVE!!! what have you been up to man, still working? if so, are you in town or up north? im not for the time being. i took a bit of a vacation to avoid termination. anyway im intrested in anything you got to offer. i need to avoid spending to much right now, at least till work picks up. i have a lot on my plate with the car for now, was really wanting to get it running by now, but im just taking my time doing it right. i spent a few hours sorting out the jacked up wire harness i have for the det, i got it all figured out now, but am going to need to replace some stuff.
for now im waiting on a fsm for the 1984 car, as i have found the only downloadable version is for a 1986, and the wire diagram is way off. when i get that i plan to morph the det harness into the other harness. i know its more work than i need to put into it, but i have already identified most of the splice points and will find the rest when i get the fsm. it should alow me to hook everything up without adding any new relays, and be able to have them all wired up in there stock locations. i do need a few things, first i need a detonation sensor plug, also i need a stock 02sensor and the plug, and i think that may be it for now. if anyone has them let me know. well thats it for now ill post up a few more pics in the next day or so, the front end looks good with all new bushings, and all cleaned up, and painted.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:48:54 PM / 31-Jan-12
do you need the det sensor and plug or just the plug you can get the sensor off a rb25det that's where I got mine from from this kid on nico check there.....Glad to see you still wrenching away....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 08:16:46 PM / 31-Jan-12
LVDAVE!!! what have you been up to man, still working? if so, are you in town or up north? im not for the time being. i took a bit of a vacation to avoid termination.

I'm still working.  Haven't had to take any time off, but most of the guys I have been working with are either on vacation or were laid off.  I found myself really needing a truck so I bought a 96 F250.  It's a Powerstroke, xtended cab, 2wd, and a stick.  I turned my b1600 into a truck bed trailer.  Because of the piss poor work picture I haven't been able to spend any money on the s12's.  I may even be looking to find the 84 a new home.  Don't really know at this point. 

Where do they have you working at now?  Bombard lost the Centurion tower remodel at Caesars so all we really have now is the ferris wheel.  Everyone still up in Fallen is supposed to be coming back this week.  They've been done with most of the work up there for a couple weeks now.  I'm Bombards unofficial generator mechanic, I serviced all the generators that were sent to Fallen and two weeks ago they brought me back the ones that they broke .  I've been staying pretty busy, we have a small amount of steady work at Switch.  I know I have enough work through June and hopefully by then the second Switch building will be started.  I've also been doing some work at Wells Cargo over the past couple weeks.  They're planning on doubling production this year, so they're adding on to the conveyor belts and we're hooking up the power.  I'm hoping that's a good sign for construction this year.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 03:14:17 PM / 01-Feb-12
Ya, work picture is very poor,  I'm chillen at home for now, (better than being on the books) but losing caesars was a big blow. I know they liquidated a lot of equipment and vehicals so I hope it will help get our bids down so we can still compeat.
 As for the det sensor sideways,  I just need the plug if you or someone else has one.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 04:48:13 PM / 01-Feb-12
there's a guy on here that says he has spare ca stuff I'll ask him
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 09:39:47 PM / 05-Feb-12
Update!!!!!!!! ok so here are some pics i had taken when i was working on the front end.

ok so i ended up having to wash the bay with a brush, a spray bottle of purple power, and a spray bottle of water. i had a big plastic bin under the car but it only coverd half the car so i had to wash in stages. this is after the first half is clean
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20120124_130211.jpg)

and here are some nice clean parts, with new bushings. I like it alot!!!!!
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20120124_130142.jpg)

OH!!! what do we have here????? thats right bitches, I dropped this bad boy in there all by myself. not only that but since i sold my hoist when i parted out my colt, i set up a cable come-along, hanging from the ceiling. it wasnt easy, at all, but its in there. all but the last mount bolt. the one under the turbo, that goes in from under, right where the turbo drain pipe is. speeking of, it would have been nice to know that there is a clearance issue with the drain pipe befor i dropped this in. i think i got it figgured out, i just hope its still good when the car needs to turn......
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/IMG_20120205_175319.jpg)

well thats all for now. tomarrow i plan to get that last mount bolt in, make sure the oil drain pipe is good, and start wiring and plumbing it all up.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Jeremy A on 10:11:33 PM / 05-Feb-12
Yeeeeaaaahhhh!    The CA18DET looks like it was meant to be there....  So cool!  What approach are you going to take wiring it up?  And what are your plans for the exhaust downpipe?

Take lotsa pics if ya can!  I'm going with the ca18det too,  so I'm loving this.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:38:21 PM / 05-Feb-12
nice what bushings did you get and where did you get them from?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:56:56 AM / 07-Feb-12
i have a wire harness that came with the car, but was hacked all to hell. so i spent 10 hours one night un-taping the whole thing. i used a ohm meter to trace out and check every wire, then repaired every crimped splice and bad conection made. i soldered every thing and heat shrinked it, so its all done correct. i also wired in all my relays, and a small fuse box, and labled every wire that needs to connect to the main harness, so i dont think that wireing it up is going to be an issue now. as for the down pipe my motor set came with a nice looking down pipe so its on there, im not sure but for now i think i may just modify the stock exhaust, and use it, it looks like it could almost bolt right up. as for the bushing they are prothane. i got them off e-gay for like 120. there all good, and im happy with them, except for the front control arm bushing. for some reason it just didnt fit. i have been told that they should just slide into the shell but mine didnt. i ended up grinding down the outside a bit, and used my press to get them in the shell, then i drilled out the inside to fit the sleeve. it was all very tight but it worked well. i dont know if they just put the wrong ones in the kit, or if the prothain ones are just differant but they look nothing like the energy ones i have seen. however everything else fit like a glove.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:27:44 PM / 08-Feb-12
nice....i'll have to check those out what car did you get them for?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 05:46:52 PM / 08-Feb-12
Z32, or whatever it says to use in the tech section. Sucks man, I get the motor in, ready to pluming and I get called back to work for a few days.... ok well, that doesn't really suck, cuz well I need money.... but I haven't had a chance to even look at it since. Oh well,  that's what the weekends are for right?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 10:48:04 PM / 08-Feb-12
Looks like the car is coming along nicely.

As for the bushings in the z31 kit.  The s12 uses the same front control arm bushings as the s13, z31's are different as you found out.  The rears control arm bushing are the same as the z31.  The crossmember bushing fit but are slightly taller so they will increase the rear camber slightly.  As far as the sway bar bushings go, the s12 actually uses slightly thicker sway bars.  I'm not sure if the kit includes bushing big enough for the s12 bars.  I know it does not include ones big enough for an SS z31, but they can be modified to fit.  Endlinks are the same.  I'm not sure if the kit has tension rod bushings, but they are the same as 84-86 z31 bushings.  87-89 are different.

On a side note, my wife just got a job with the school district.  Now I just might be able to convince myself to start spending a little money on the s12.  We'll see.  I have some plans to make a pretty bad ass daily driver out of the white car.

Anyways keep up the good work with the project.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:13:06 AM / 09-Feb-12
Ya Z31, that's it.  I really just looked in the tech section and looked for what it said to use.  Everything else has been fine. In fact the kit even had 2 sets of sway bar bushings, one for the turbo z31 and that's what my s12 used.  Everything else was the same just not the front countral arm bushings.
 but now,I need Help here guys.... for a few days I have been looking for a intercooler, and pipe for it. I looked into modding s13 pipe for it, but every intercooler looks like ill need to do some cutten, and I just don't really want to hack up such a nice car. I plan on running the ac, not right away but at some point its getting a condinser.  So I. Know ill need to cut a little, I'm ok with making holes for the pipe out of the bay,  and if I need to trim the bumper a lil then ok, but if anyone has any ideas let me know. Thanks
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 08:47:24 AM / 09-Feb-12
I've been planning on running a small barrel style water to air cooler right in front of the motor. With electric fans it looks like it will fit there.

For an air to air, I think Keith's setup is best.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:59:14 PM / 10-Feb-12
Ill have to look at it again. I always dig his car, must be the paint.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 08:19:31 PM / 25-Feb-12
so a lil update for now, i got most of the wiring done, just need to solder my 4 wires coming off my lil diod set up for my tach, and finish running my new wire for the fuel pump. i am running 14awg to the pump strate off the relay. i also got my oil cooler in, now i need to find a front mount ic, and figure out what im doing with my fuel system, was thinking of running all new 3/8 aluminum fuel line for both in and out lines, and then change out all the fuel hoses to stanless -6an lines. it really wouldnt be as much money as it seems, i have so much 6an size stuff already id just need a fpr, and a filter.
   well i guess with that said what do you all think, will the stock fuel lines from the 18et do, or will i need to up the size, they look way small to me.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:17:01 PM / 25-Feb-12
Damn can you redo my wiring for me lol please I'll pay you
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:04:11 AM / 28-Feb-12
Ya, if you only knew how much time I spent on it. Really man, I had the harness all laid out on my living room floor,(on a old blanket of corse, or the women would have cut me!!!!!) I untaped and removed all wrappings. Then I traced out every single wire coming from the ecu plug, and checked the resistance to make sure ever wire was good,  labled it. With a wireing diagram I made from both the s12 fsm, and a few ca18det diagrams I found, I labled everything and, and seperated it like it was in the bay.  I then terminated everything that needed to me, and retaped everything. It worked out well, it ended up fitting in the bay very well, with little modifacation.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: JuneBug on 02:04:48 PM / 28-Feb-12
You're making really good progress.  When do you think it'll be running?

Just as a warning, the guys at work will give you some strange looks when you pull up in an s12.  Most will like it though.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:39:25 PM / 28-Feb-12
Nice i need to do that....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:28:16 AM / 29-Feb-12
I don't know if ill ever start this thing man. I need a front mount, and some pipe, a maf, and some kinda fuel system.  I think that come Friday ill order some fuel line.  Unless someone here says the stock line will do. I'm also going to order my intercooler,  and pipe so I can get that done.  I just need to do it. After that its just pop in the tranny, find the front half of a drive shaft, and go. Well, not only that but close.
 As for pulling up to work in my s12, I think the guys I work with, hell even the guys at the hall would have more respect for it than my hyundai accent. Really I drive the same car people give there kids as a first car. Its the high school classic, and I'm a 36y/o man. So sad......
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:24:17 PM / 29-Feb-12
the stock fuel line will work. Lol mine just took a shit on me I think it's rings again in the number 4 cyl so im not driving mine right now either waiting for the dsm to get done then mine can go in it seems like forever....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 09:45:08 PM / 31-Mar-12
So after countless attempts and fails, do to piss poor planning, shit ass tools, and a wife and kids that need me to do shit for them, I FINALLY got my transmission in the car. Wow, was it ever a pain in the ass. I don't know why I kill myself to get shit done when I could go out spend a 100 bucks on a new, halfway descent tranny jack and do the job, no, not me I must use my cheap ass walmart floor jack with some jank ass welded on plate to get my transmission in. Well its in now so that's that.

Ok, now that I'm done there, the work goes on. I will be working on intake, ic, and exhaust piping next. Looking for a 2nd mig gun, a short one like 8 feet that I can put a nylon liner in and do all my own aluminum work this time around. Well I got plenty more to do so I'm going to keep at it. I will get pics up in a few, I know I keep saying that but, well I would rather spend my time under my car than on here talking about it. With that, I say so long.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:38:55 PM / 01-Apr-12
lol good job ...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: tommy on 04:43:57 PM / 01-Apr-12
Your setup is still better than mine...

(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/T_Bermy/TE31/IMG_5437.jpg)
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/T_Bermy/TE31/IMG_5439.jpg)

Good job buddy!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:25:41 PM / 01-Apr-12
Why not attach the Trans to the motor then drop it in I found it easier imho..
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 01:17:50 AM / 30-Jun-12
ok, ok, ok,      well..... It sure has been a long ass time. I know I was promising pics but I just couldn’t get around to it. I have however picked up a few new skills and got quite a bit done. I have also loaded up some new pics as you can see. well on with it, I fabed up my intercooler pipe, I must have spent a good 2 months practicing welding aluminum before I tried and it ended up looking like shit anyway, but that what happens when all ya gots a mig with a short aluminum gun. I have everything about done and am sitting down at 11 at night writing this before I go out and change all the injector seals so I can finally try to start it. I was having issues with the fuel pump the last few days but got it going today and found that the injector seals I meant to replace, are bad and leaking fuel like crazy, so I’ll be fixing that and if all goes well I’ll be putting a first start video up tomorrow. Anyway here are some pics, enjoy.

(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/84%20200sx%20turbo/IMG_20120521_165000.jpg)
so the first 2 are from my mock up of the ic pipe. (if only it looked that nice after i welded it)

(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/84%20200sx%20turbo/IMG_20120521_165027-2.jpg)

(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/84%20200sx%20turbo/IMG_20120521_165252.jpg)
this is the cold side entrence i cut.

(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/84%20200sx%20turbo/IMG_20120521_165230-2.jpg)
and the hot side

(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo277/deco_in_vegas/84%20200sx%20turbo/IMG_20120521_165201-2.jpg)
and this????? well this is cuz i cant get photo bucket to stay open on my pc long enough to find any more pics and its pissing me off. so, sorry to say but thats all for now.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 02:21:55 AM / 30-Jun-12
dont be so hard on yourself and dont worry about how it looks and how this and that worked out. get it in and drive it. you will end up pulling the motor back out later for something anyway. then you can do all the things that you decided u want to change. trust me you will pull it.

we all need to get the vegas s12 scene back together btw. ur close to getting urs up. jason is close to getting his blue car up. Garys car is always up. and my ca20et should be rolling in 2-3 weeks

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deco get on fb and join the page. link above
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 01:51:39 PM / 01-Jul-12
Well I don't have a start up. Video, but,,,, ITS. ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!! Oh ya,  couldn't get it to start the last few days, just wouldn't fire up. Well I found that my cas was 180* out. Anyway I figured it out and it fired almost right up. I let it rev for a few sec. And shut it down to check everything out, well good thing, cuz now I got 1-2qts oil all over my bay, floor, and motor. Oh well its a job for tomorrow ill clean it up, fix the leak, and maybe see about going for a quick drive. We will see.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:52:12 PM / 01-Jul-12
Wheres it leaking from?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 01:03:14 AM / 02-Jul-12
NICE!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: 8SixS12 on 02:56:50 PM / 07-Sep-12
Looking good. Don't sweat the small stuff. It'll drive you crazy! 
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:03:54 PM / 30-Mar-15
Well, it has been a very very long time I know. I put the car on hold a few years ago due to lack of time, and the fact that I just didn't want to skimp on anything due to money.
Well, life always tosses you a curve or two and my curve has just arrived.
Now when I stopped working on this car I had it running, and for the most part ready to go. But there was one issue.
Though the engine ran really good, (completely rebuilt so it should) I had some electrical problems I was on the edge of giving up on the whole thing.
So onto the issue, when under load the engine would struggle.  It would start to choke up and just felt like it had no power. I know there may be a boost leak or 2, and I know that it needs to be tuned.
So here is the plan, and I'm going to need all the advice I can get.
I'm going to replace the hot and cold side piping, with all new. I'm going to try and find a good Nissan tuner here in town to toss a tune on it. After that it's going to need some wheels and tires. I can't spend more then a grand to get there for now.  Seems impossible but I built the whole car for around 2 grand.
Wish me luck, and as soon as I get it uncovered (it's in the garage under a car cover) I'll get some pics of what's done and what needs to be done.

Oh, and it's good to be back, there are some nice projects going on right now.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 04:46:42 PM / 02-Apr-15
Hell YAAAAAAA!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:59:12 AM / 03-Apr-15
Few problems already.
 1st, my  250$ odyssey battery looks like I may have killed it....
My dumb fault, I shouldn't have let it sit for so long.
 2nd, I can't seem to find my title. I know I have it. I did have it in my
File cabinet,  but I know I took it out when I was going to head to the
Dmv, but I never went. Anyway looks like I'll need to do some searching
around the house. I will be firing it back up this weekend, then I'm
Going to look for a local tuner who knows nistune, and can get me all
Hooked up, and tuned. Any ideas??
Well, I'll post up pictures when I get it out of the garage this weekend.
Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:30:40 AM / 03-Apr-15
I might need that same number as well, I bought the software and I am having weird problems with my ca18det also.

but I am making headway tho as I am learning more with it, all the shops I heard with nistune seem to be very shady with reputation and seems the only one I have not been to yet is Trevtec in which I heard he was good, the problem with vegas is that it is technically a small town specialty shops are hard to come by and makes it worse when they have a shady rep.

It is great to see this car getting back in the groove. I love hearing more and can't wait till it is fully up and running.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 07:21:36 PM / 04-Apr-15
Ok, so it's out of the garage now, and ready to start. I got it to crank over, and then ran the fuel pump, so the plumbing all checks out. Got to charge the battery a bit then I'll try it. I'll take video but not sure how to post it. Anyway keep them fingers crossed, it's only been 2 years so really it should start right up.
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It's alive!!!!
Again.....
It's idling really high, like 2k, and there is a lot of ticking coming from under the valve cover, but other wise, no smoke no problems.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:27:13 PM / 04-Apr-15
woohoo!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:46:56 PM / 04-Apr-15
I can't load pictures....
I used to know how. But now I can't figure it out.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:27:07 PM / 04-Apr-15
[ img ]url address[/img]

Use that image tag. Remove the spaces from the start tag
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 05:34:57 AM / 05-Apr-15
I'll try it this week, should get it out on the road Monday or Tuesday.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:52:44 PM / 11-Apr-15
welcome back!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 11:22:31 PM / 14-Apr-15
Still can't load pics.
Anyway problems problems problems. I'm a little upset. At least when I parked the car it wasn't running well under load. But it idled well, didn't smoke at all, and maintained a decent afr. Now, it's smoking like crazy, and the afr's drop below 10 with in 15 seconds of starting it up. Plus the ecu is throwing a maf code. And as I figured my ic piping has more leaks then I even could have imagined.  Anyway, I'm mostly worried about the smoke. It don't seem dark enough to just be fuel.  there isn't any oil getting past the turbo, compression is good, oil and water don't look mixed at all. Has anyone ran old gas through there motor? Will it smoke bad, what if it was also rich, would it smoke really bad? The smoke starts with in  just a few seconds of start up. About the same time as the afr starts to drop. Also the plugs are black. I cleaned them once, and the cylinders look wet inside......
I just can't keep throwing money at it if there is a bigger problem. Anyone know what the best maf to run the stock ecu would be? If I can't get my hands on a ca18det one?
Well I'll put more time into it this weekend. Wish me luck.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: SchizophrenicMC on 07:14:24 AM / 15-Apr-15
I presume you know how to host images on an image hosting website. However, if you're not hosting your own images on your own server, I suggest imgur (http://i.imgur.com) for your hosting needs. It's free and automatically generates BBCode tags for hosted images, which you can simply click to copy. It also doesn't have any of Photobucket, Flickr, or ImageShack's bullshit.

As for posting them here, you need to use the BBCode IMG tag.

Code: [Select]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/1StQmWp.png[/IMG]
grants

(http://i.imgur.com/1StQmWp.png)

Follow those suggestions and you'll never have a problem posting up pics here again.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: deco on 10:17:24 PM / 16-Apr-15
Ya, I use photo bucket, and sadly I at one time posted lots of pics. I probably just not trying to figure it out. I just don't have the kind of time I used to.... anyway this weekend I'll figure it out and get something on here.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:00:04 PM / 16-Apr-15
Sounds like its been sitting for too long and is being a bitch. First thing is to fix any air leaks. Shoot a little maf cleaner thru the maf. Check the wiring to the maf. Dump a bottle of octane booster in the tank or swap it out for fresh 91.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:10:40 PM / 12-Feb-16
So I'm finally back in the s12 game. I acquired a Copper 84 turbo with ca18det swap for 1500. Not a bad price if I say so my self!

Pros:
Black interior
Ca18det
Rebuilt head
Garrett T28bb turbo (Legit not that chinese knock-off shit)
Oil cooler
Extra Block
Extra Head
New Stock Injectors ( Or I was told they were stock but I don't think they are will explain later)
PLX touch screen wideband
Apexi Super AFC ( the old school one with the knobs)
Other Misc goodies that I haven't inventoried yet
BITCHIN BETTY! AND SHE WORKS! (I'm going to try my hardest to keep her working! )

Cons
Wiring Issue ( I think with the Maf wiring)
Runs rich as fuck ( remember when I said I don't think the injectors are stock? This is why)
32 year old suspension ( Rock the Boat)
Possibly needs new tires....
Needs a pass door card and new glove box...
Tint is old and blurry hard to see through rear hatch.

So this is Project Phoenix! I am not and will not be selling her she will the s12 I own for the rest of my life among others If I find them to be worth the buy. But this one will stay in my possession, until my kid rips th keys from my cold lifeless hands...lol

http://vid1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/jrock0920/20160210_191732_001_zpsxvkpivgx.mp4

(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/jrock0920/20160210_191711_zps6speos68.jpg~original) (http://s1038.photobucket.com/user/jrock0920/media/20160210_191711_zps6speos68.jpg.html)

(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/jrock0920/20160210_191726_zpslpkvohvc.jpg~original) (http://s1038.photobucket.com/user/jrock0920/media/20160210_191726_zpslpkvohvc.jpg.html)

(http://i1038.photobucket.com/albums/a465/jrock0920/20160211_140411_zpsqsdb8bl0.jpg~original) (http://s1038.photobucket.com/user/jrock0920/media/20160211_140411_zpsqsdb8bl0.jpg.html)


So here she is in all her glory lol she def needs a bath!

Sorry the pics the are big I haven't uploaded pics to a forum in a very long time, so I'm a bit rusty lol The first link is a video...
 
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 02:29:19 PM / 12-Feb-16
Nice find!  Look forward to the updates!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: rednucleus on 02:56:14 PM / 12-Feb-16
Clean engine bay! BTW the copper is one of my favorites - hardly ever see it.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: weitrhino on 04:46:29 PM / 12-Feb-16
Nice score. Did you find it somewhere local to LV?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:06:50 PM / 12-Feb-16
Good Job, it is much cleaner than the black one for now and she needs a bath badly, lol

Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:47:01 PM / 12-Feb-16
Nice score. Did you find it somewhere local to LV?

Yeah he is a local and he is a member although he doesn't really post...


Gary yeah she does need a bath lol That will happen when I can drive over 2500 rpm....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:16:03 AM / 13-Feb-16
That wiring though, is that actually tucked in behind from the passenger side? I really want to learn how that was tucked away for when I reinstall this harness.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:33:21 AM / 13-Feb-16
yeah not sure how he did it as I have yet to examine it. Friday it's going to Trev tec to fix the wiring as I despise wiring and I know I'll fuck it up...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:51:17 AM / 13-Feb-16
I bet he will be happy to work on a much easier setup, hah!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: S12_Lifer on 02:29:17 AM / 13-Feb-16
Hoping your S12 will be ready for JCCS, 2016 and other meets.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:33:45 PM / 13-Feb-16
I bet he will be happy to work on a much easier setup, hah!

I'm sure he will lol

Hoping your S12 will be ready for JCCS, 2016 and other meets.

The plan is to be ready for JCCS but we'll see depends on how the finances play out...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: 8SixS12 on 08:09:35 PM / 14-Feb-16
Congrats! Glad to see you're back in the game! - subscribed
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:37:22 AM / 15-Feb-16
Thank you glad to be back lol
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Cajun1guy on 09:51:22 PM / 16-Feb-16
Oh Hell Yeah! Sounds good even when it runs bad. Enjoy the sickness brother. Wifey and Jr don't understand Dad's need for a stick and clutch, and no new frills!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:56:09 PM / 16-Feb-16
Lol well the wifey understands.

Found a new issue, there is a big parasitic draw coming from somewhere as I went to start it to move it and the battery was completely dead after sitting for 3 days  and the battery is brand new... So there's that....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Cajun1guy on 10:04:21 PM / 16-Feb-16
Never a dull moment in the S-12 world. Good thing we have this forum, saved my ass many times!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 07:14:42 AM / 17-Feb-16
Lol well the wifey understands.

Found a new issue, there is a big parasitic draw coming from somewhere  . . .

I fixed this by installing a new wife.  Took a few years and I am still paying for it, but completely fixed the problem.  I don't know you or your wife so I may be misdiagnosing the problem, but it worked for me.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:42:57 PM / 17-Feb-16
Lol I meant the battery in the s12 ....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Cajun1guy on 10:07:29 PM / 17-Feb-16
LOL, that went down the wrong way  :laugh:
It's good to have an understanding lady!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 06:16:23 AM / 18-Feb-16
LOL, that went down the wrong way  :laugh:
. . .

again . . .

I fixed this by installing a new wife.  Took a few years and I am still paying for it, but completely fixed the problem.  I don't know you or your wife so I may be misdiagnosing the problem, but it worked for me.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: 8SixS12 on 08:20:28 PM / 18-Feb-16
Lol well the wifey understands.

Found a new issue, there is a big parasitic draw coming from somewhere as I went to start it to move it and the battery was completely dead after sitting for 3 days  and the battery is brand new... So there's that....

Did you find the issue yet? Mine used to have a bad ac fan motor timer and stop lamp sensor. I ended up finding one from an 87 car but they're slightly different I think because my bulb warning light stayed on all the time but it worked.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:26:25 PM / 18-Feb-16
No I haven't bothered trying to fix it as it's going to the shop to have the wiring issue fixed....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:19:41 PM / 27-Feb-16
Ok so I merged Ben's old build thread with mine since it's the same car and this way I don't have to search very far for any info from the work he's done to the vehicle. Not much progress made on car the as we are planning to move in a couple of weeks. Still need to figure out the afc issue as I'm sure its the sole culprit to why the car runs in limp mode....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: 8SixS12 on 02:42:42 PM / 03-Mar-16
Where you moving to?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:28:09 PM / 03-Mar-16
it's a local move nothing special... I need out of this shithole tho I'm so tired of vegas I need some new scenery car and otherwise...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: S12_Lifer on 06:45:02 PM / 03-Mar-16
You would love San Diego.  Not to expensive if you live in east county (away from the beach).
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:10:28 PM / 03-Mar-16
I know I would but the wifey doesn't want to live there... :( I would go in a heartbeat tho...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 07:50:53 AM / 04-Mar-16
I can't live in CA.  I am considered a dangerous criminal there.  I'd say your wife's instinct is correct on this one.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:13:54 AM / 05-Mar-16
Why are you considered a dangerous criminal there if you don't mind me askin....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 02:27:07 PM / 05-Mar-16
I'm not considered a dangerous criminal most places.  I have lead a very civil and just life with no legal trouble more significant than a speeding ticket.  In Cali however I am considered a dangerous criminal because of a couple of the firearms I own.  Simply because I own them.  With their massive expansion of prohibited firearms as of 2016 I am even more of a criminal by Cali definition than I was last year and all I did was nothing to anybody.  Anybody who thinks that poorly of honest people should get honest people's tax dollars.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Shanes1233 on 03:25:25 PM / 05-Mar-16
What a score! Looks like a good start to something beautiful. Cant wait to see how this one turns out!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:07:14 PM / 07-Mar-16
I'm not considered a dangerous criminal most places.  I have lead a very civil and just life with no legal trouble more significant than a speeding ticket.  In Cali however I am considered a dangerous criminal because of a couple of the firearms I own.  Simply because I own them.  With their massive expansion of prohibited firearms as of 2016 I am even more of a criminal by Cali definition than I was last year and all I did was nothing to anybody.  Anybody who thinks that poorly of honest people should get honest people's tax dollars.



That's fucking retarded! Maybe I don't want to move to cali after all


What a score! Looks like a good start to something beautiful. Cant wait to see how this one turns out!

Thanks bro! If I could get a decent second job and get my funds right I could actually get to work on the damn thing... right now she is just sitting collecting dust :/ I really want to drive it!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 06:49:13 PM / 07-Mar-16
California seems like an nice place to live till you get caught up on the politics and bills that has been passed.

I think this alone is what got me liking my decision to move to central Oregon back in the day and might do so again when I get more certifications under my belt.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:57:28 PM / 07-Mar-16
yeah we were thinking about oregon as well!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 07:34:10 PM / 07-Mar-16
That's fucking retarded! Maybe I don't want to move to cali after all

Yea.  Cali has a "safe handguns" list that was created under the false disguise that it would prevent unsafe designs from being legal to sell.  This year there are ZERO new approved handguns and 80+ pages of handguns that were legal in 2015 but are now illegal.  Of those "legal last year but not this year" are almost every variant of the Colt 1911 ever made and a huge number of 6 shot revolvers.  How is it possible that those were "safe" but are not anymore?  Because every manufacturer must pay a fee in excess of $10,000 every year for each gun that they want to have on the list.  If they don't pay the fee, the gun is removed from the list.  Making matters worse, current duty police officers can purchase ANY handgun not on the list.  That's right.  Not only does the list have NOTHING to do with the actual safety of the firearms in question, even if it did it allows the police to use "unsafe" handguns as much as they want . . . yea.  That's not even getting into the topic of GVRO's that allow the police to show up to your house, take your stuff and you don't even get to know any details of why for 2 weeks.

I was born in Oregon (Bend) and would love to move back to central or eastern Oregon but I fear it has fallen victim to the same problem WA, CA, CO, NY and so many other states have.  The "we know what's best for you" folk in the city pass laws that eviscerate the way of life lived by the rural folk who live in/around/on 95% of the land in the state.  I would still take Oregon over California even if I had to drive through northern Canada in the winter to get there.

Sorry, don't want to hijack your thread with politics.  I am better versed than most and exuberant about the opportunity to discuss it.  PM, another thread, here, or not at all.  Still looking forward to your build though.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:01:26 PM / 09-Mar-16
yeah that's stupid it's always people that ar worrying about what other people are doing that kills it.

Anyway, back on topic I found a huge boost leak about 10 mins ago turns out the hks bov that is on the ca is acting as a hair dryer and blowing all the metered air (well at least 80% of it) out of the system right before the TB I unplugged the vac source and plugged the bov with my hand (not a perfect seal obviously) and I noticed a difference in the throttle response and revs revved a little higher and shot a fireball with a huge cloud of black smoke lol But it's still in limp mode I still think the afc is an issue still, I'm sure when I replace the IC pipe it'll improve greatly *crosses fingers* 
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 08:30:40 PM / 09-Mar-16
Sounds like a relatively easy fix.  Hurray for an automotive win!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:51:27 PM / 09-Mar-16
Yeah lets hope so lol
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 05:56:39 PM / 06-Apr-16
Thinking of selling the ca18det I want a v8 in my life! a boosted v8 at that lol
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: iceageg on 07:06:55 AM / 07-Apr-16
I love my boosted V8 and we have seen a couple S12s succeed at it here.  Once you start full custom the options open way up.  I say DO IT!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:28:42 PM / 07-Apr-16
I'm definitely leaning towards to doing it. might be a boosted 5.3  we'll see tho...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:59:02 PM / 27-Apr-16
Well in the meantime I fixed my rich at idle issue now I just have to fix my maf issue and my cold pipe issue and I think she'll be drivable...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:20:38 PM / 27-Apr-16
Sweet! what was the rich issue?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:06:01 PM / 30-Apr-16
The AFC setting was wrong...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:47:44 PM / 01-May-16
Took my spare cold side pipe to work to cut about an inch off it to replace the leaky pipe with bov...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:07:09 PM / 01-Jun-16
Project is at a standstill got a harness wiring issue.....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:17:58 PM / 18-Jun-16
The struggle is real....
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:56:45 PM / 25-Jun-16
Looks like I may be going with a wiring specialties harness. Hopefully that will fix my issue...Just need the money to do so...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:00:06 PM / 29-Jun-16
So I think I'll be ordering the wiring specialties harness when it drops in aug. but we'll see... Hopefully it works out
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:21:24 PM / 29-Jun-16
So what is going on with this project so far?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:46:00 PM / 30-Jun-16
Nothing because of the wiring I have a maf issue and while trying to diag it I moved the ecu and now the car won't start. It ran in limp mode before but at least it moved under it's own power so I could move it around...
Post Merge
If it wasn't for the wiring I'd be driving it
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:11:16 PM / 30-Jun-16
sounds like bad connection with one of the wires at the ecu level, or maybe the connection between the ecu and wiring harness?  I would love to take a peek one of these weekends when it's not super hot / stormy out.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 05:54:31 PM / 30-Jun-16
Definitly I would love the help maybe on a friday after you get off because I work sat and sun... or you'd have to be over early on sat or sun because I work at 6pm
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 06:34:41 PM / 30-Jun-16
ah, friday after work could work.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:30:49 PM / 30-Jun-16
What time do you get off?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:39:28 PM / 30-Jun-16
4pm ish, might be a stormy weekend though.

Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:10:43 PM / 01-Jul-16
Yeah looks like it, it doesn't have to be this weekend...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:28:24 PM / 01-Jul-16
Nope, anytime really. I got the ca18e to put back together.
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:23:54 PM / 01-Jul-16
ok
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:40:19 PM / 01-Jul-16
/Story telling mode on

This reminds me of the time when I installed the Apexi AFC on the sev6, when I would touch the ECU it would short out and that is how I ended up in the sand trap.

(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/gallery/vd34/2014-05-31-11-58-15.jpg)

Shorting out due to one wire had a bad connection.

/Story telling mode off
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:58:51 AM / 02-Jul-16
lol shitty I figure theres a bad connection in the harness but I dont want to pull it and unwrap it and go through it...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:20:46 PM / 03-Jul-16
I need to fix the fender Door issue I have...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:41:06 PM / 31-Dec-16
Ok a little update, if anyone is paying attention lol I will have an ecu soon as the previous one blew and hopefully I can find an oem maf as I suspect the one on the car is done. hopefully I'll be driving it i january...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 04:17:57 PM / 14-Jan-17
got 2 ecus coming will be shipped on monday along with a maf hopefully I get the problem sorted so I can get her on the road!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:10:20 PM / 21-Jan-17
Woot ecu is here now waiting on the maf and hopefully she will be running in the few weeks after!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:04:21 PM / 11-Feb-17
welp got the ecu and maf installed bith and the problem still exists checked tps and that didn't do anything.... I don't know what to do or where to go from here...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:12:58 PM / 11-Feb-17
What is the error again?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 04:35:15 PM / 11-Feb-17
super rich @ idle super lean when gas is pressed bogs and wants to die until you let off
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:34:29 AM / 12-Feb-17
Some ideas I came up with.

Check for vacuum leaks? including where it matches to the head? and boost leaks? maybe faulty intercooler?
O2 sensor?
Injectors I assume are in working order or maybe they are clogged?

seems to be an issue since it was put back together with ben, maybe it would be a good time to revisit how it was put back together. it could be possible that one of the intake to the head bolts is not fully tight to spec causing a slight vacuum leak.

Is it running a cat?
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:11:52 PM / 13-Feb-17
Turns out the afc was fucking shit up pulled that out and the idle cleared up richness went away and runs better now. I do have a boost leak tho as she won't boost past 2 psi...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:17:08 PM / 13-Feb-17
sweet!
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:34:31 PM / 04-Mar-17
Fixed the boost leak and the water pump takes a shit. Will it ever end...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: CzechSilvia on 03:45:45 PM / 04-Mar-17
Fixed the boost leak and the water pump takes a shit. Will it ever end...

No, from my experience it does not. You fix one thing and during that process you find another two issues that need to be addressed. That's the s12 life
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 04:39:44 PM / 22-Apr-17
Welp back to square one. fixed the water pump and the rad springs a leak. on top of that my original problem with the maf came back...
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: Cajun1guy on 07:55:25 PM / 27-Apr-17
Gotta love it! Car just wants your undivided attention and love   :yes:
Title: Re: Project: Phoenix
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:57:21 PM / 06-May-17
Lol That's kinda hard when you work 7 days a week lol But I got a rad from Wandering so that issue will be fixed and then it'll be back to maf wiring...