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Title: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: EightySix200SX on 11:52:04 AM / 06-Jul-11
S12 Weld-on Coilover Conversion - Adjustable Suspension for the S12.
Written by Justin Carter

The following is a write-up of the coilover setup we have come up with here in SoCal. Engineered and tested by us of the Low.XII.Position crew, it is a for sure way to lower your S12 without converting to the S13 suspension. It is what I am running in addition to Andrew (demonic_s12) and Sterling (sterlingps12). The only difference between between our S12s and what Sterling did was that he used S13 tubes in the front. It can also be verified by Colin (draconis) who road passenger in Andrew's car last year.

In the past many months there have been much interest and many emails inquiring as to our suspension setup so the following is the list of our suspension setup.
This setup allows one to retain the factory S12 tubes.

You will need a welder and a grinder as the front tubes must be sectioned 40mm shorter to accept a shorter SW20 shock. Also, once can use S13 camber plate and in doing so, inform Techno Toy Tuning that you will be running S13 camber plates with SW20 AGX socks and they will send you two small collars that will slip onto the camber plate to take up the slack. They are aware of the situation, so do not worry about their confusion. You will have to grind off the stock perch and weld the Ground Control perch in its place. Other than that, the necessary steps for the modifying the front suspension.

For the rear, the setup is easy and literally drop in straight out of the box. The Mustang Foxbody struts however will require some shimming. To do so, one will need four washers on each shock on the lower mounting bracket on both sides of the car to take up the slack.

Parts list -------------------------------------------


FRONT:
ROLL CENTER ADJUSTERS- http://technotoytuni...etail.php?p=815
S13 CAMBERPLATES- http://technotoytuni...etail.php?p=819
280ZX GC SLEEVES- http://technotoytuni...etail.php?p=802
MR2 SHOCKS- http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item255c19e4ab

REAR:
SPRING PERCH [MUST USE SS-85500-A]  Click for SPRING PERCH (https://www.daymotorsports.com/adjustable-spring-spacer)
SPRINGS [MUST USE 5"X8" SPRING] Click for REAR SPRINGS, various rates as high as 500 lb. (http://pitstopusa.com/b-4760-134778-suspension-spring-specialists.html)
FOXBODY SHOCKS- http://cgi.ebay.com/...=item4cf6ee146b

This is what to expect throughout the process
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/EightySix200SX/suspension/IMAG0311.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/EightySix200SX/suspension/IMAG0039.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/EightySix200SX/suspension/IMAG0031.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/EightySix200SX/suspension/IMAG0030.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y268/EightySix200SX/suspension/100_1178.jpg)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: zilvia_brothers on 01:04:33 PM / 06-Jul-11
Awesome work justin! Andrew talked to me about going thia route and i might do this in the future
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: DirtyGaze on 01:21:10 PM / 06-Jul-11
Very well thought out and takes out the guessing game on which parts to buy from where.  Super legit.  Your the man Justin!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: S12-AR on 02:09:15 PM / 06-Jul-11
THANK YOU JUSTIN FOR THIS AWSOME WRITE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: mentalxpreshun on 02:52:44 PM / 06-Jul-11
LOW.XII.POSITION FTW!!!!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 03:42:42 PM / 06-Jul-11
Stickied.
$882 before shipping though.
Kinda pricey for something that needs to be assembled.
BUT! It can be bought over time. That's nice.

And please, if you could, change it from being all caps? It's kinda ugly and a lot harder to read.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jordan on 04:34:39 PM / 06-Jul-11
I understand everything except what it means to "section the tubes by 40mm".
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: tommy on 04:46:43 PM / 06-Jul-11
remove 40mm from the total length of the tubes between the perch and the spindle...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SlickS12 on 05:11:51 PM / 06-Jul-11
Great write-up.  For those who want to get the basic idea of what to do take a look at what they did on a corolla

 ->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDbraWBPRys&feature=BFa&list=FLF84MfElKGTM&index=2 (go to 1:10)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jordan on 07:01:48 PM / 06-Jul-11
That video cleared everything up. Thanks SlickS12.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: silvia love on 07:22:59 PM / 06-Jul-11
hey eightysix, do you have any binding issues? hows yours setup between the upper seat and camber plate?

Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: BoostedVG on 10:09:34 PM / 06-Jul-11
This is the exact set up I run and like alot. Bart did my fronts when he was still around and I got the rear set idea from ModMaster. This info is already out there but not simply put in one thread like this. Nice job!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 01:59:16 AM / 07-Jul-11
i am going to be doing this eventually...we are moving next month and i will be within walking distance to work...so the notch is getting parked for some time...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: EightySix200SX on 12:44:29 PM / 07-Jul-11
hey eightysix, do you have any binding issues? hows yours setup between the upper seat and camber plate?




nope no binding issues i have upper bearings that it rotates on
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: silvia love on 10:40:56 PM / 07-Jul-11
did the bearings come with the gc sleeve kit? any pics of it?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: mentalxpreshun on 02:34:05 AM / 08-Jul-11
links are funky =(
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SlickS12 on 11:36:16 PM / 08-Jul-11
links are funky =(

x2 maybe just post dimensions of the parts needed?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 08:31:38 PM / 16-Jul-11
Part numbers instead of links would be better but otherwise, this is serious write up!  Much props EightySix!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Arro on 04:44:32 AM / 17-Jul-11
A good write-up, but even though he screwed some people over, we need to give Bart the credit he is due, because he did this years ago, and Sterling got the design from him:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v622/bartc_2/BARTCO%20Coilovers/S12Coilovers002.jpg)

Sterling took a trip up to Idaho to see his setup and found out what he needed. But yeah, Bart is the one who sorted it out. Interestingly enough, my RS-X had the same kind of setup on it using a Ground Control kit w/ Eibachs, albeit crudely done.

I second the motion for adding part numbers so we can hunt for more than one vendor for these things.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 02:22:25 PM / 17-Jul-11
for the shocks....

92 MR2 Front Shocks (Part Number: 765015)
96 Mustang FoxBody Shocks (Part Number: 743021)


you can use either the 96 style or older mustang shocks as they are almost identical anyways...through most places i found the newer mustang shocks where cheaper though and that is why i went with them for the canuck/agx set up.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 10:06:40 PM / 17-Jul-11
Just for the record, the 96 mustang is not a "fox body".  That body style ended in 1993.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: mentalxpreshun on 10:33:10 PM / 17-Jul-11
^ correct sir.... 94-98 = SN95
1999-2004 = SN95 "New Edge"

Post Merge: 10:34:51 PM / 17-Jul-11
this has been why I've been semi confused reading these posts haha... are they early SN95 shocks or foxbody shocks that have been used? but if 96's are whats workin thats all I need to know =)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 10:51:44 PM / 17-Jul-11
Props to Bart too, wherever he is and oh yeah. Could this be done without camber plates? Could you just use the oem upper strut mounts w/ GCs?

Post Merge: 11:30:59 PM / 17-Jul-11
Btw, I compared both a Koni yellow SN95 shock and a "fox body" shock today at work.  The 96 SN96 shock is slightly shorter than the fox body shock if anybody wanted to know.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 02:37:08 AM / 18-Jul-11
the rear suspension on a mustang though hasnt changed pretty much since the day it was designed...sra is just sooooooo simple.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SlickS12 on 04:36:13 PM / 18-Jul-11
the rear suspension on a mustang though hasnt changed pretty much since the day it was designed...sra is just sooooooo simple.

Ford 9" swap would be tits!  As a matter of fact...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 06:04:35 PM / 18-Jul-11
Yeah.  I thought about that before but never looked into it. 
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 08:20:34 PM / 18-Jul-11
but.. when you lower them theyre ganna... preload the strut i guess you could say..
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 09:23:36 AM / 19-Jul-11
What will preload the strut? Please elaborate.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SlickS12 on 02:00:00 PM / 20-Jul-11
but.. when you lower them theyre ganna... preload the strut i guess you could say..
What will preload the strut? Please elaborate.

Did you mean that about the fox body or the newer shocks?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 03:42:06 PM / 20-Jul-11
What he's trying to say is the actual strut body is a fixed size. If you lower it too far the the strut will no longer preload the spring. No spring preload means you can have a spring that doesn't permanently sit in/on the perch and can come unseated..

No spring preload is bad juju.

Easy enough to work around though. A couple helper springs will solve that little issue.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 06:20:59 PM / 20-Jul-11
Errrm.
Links are broken. I've already seen them, but others who haven't might not be able to.
Just a heads up guys :)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 07:34:23 PM / 20-Jul-11
thats not what im talking about jay, but good point..

Most coilovers, the lower spindle mount spins around the sturt itself... so you can lower and raise the suspension without moving the spring or strut.

If you take oem struts and cut the springs or throw on shorter springs, its going to quickly blow the strut.

With this method, you have the ability to adjust the height... but you really cant without damaging the setup.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 08:18:56 PM / 20-Jul-11
Yeah that feature is only seen on the really good coilover kit$.  I see your point but, isn't that the reason the shorter mr2 strut insert is used with the coilover sleeve?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 08:20:58 PM / 20-Jul-11
Yes, but you still cant adjust the sleeve lower without harming the strut.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: ericclopein on 01:11:24 AM / 02-Aug-11
damn... anybody wanna buy some canuck lowering springs hahaha
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 02:56:39 AM / 02-Aug-11
Most coilovers, the lower spindle mount spins around the sturt itself... so you can lower and raise the suspension without moving the spring or strut.

If you take oem struts and cut the springs or throw on shorter springs, its going to quickly blow the strut.


So you were talking about the other half that I completely forgot about.
Yeah, that IS another thing. Bottoming out struts is very very very very bad.....

Wait a minute.. We're BOTH right!










Awesome

I don't have that issue with my K sports. Adjustable length struts for the motherfucking win.
(Even if the springs are way to stiff....)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 06:03:40 AM / 02-Aug-11
Yeah. I see your point now.  Besides, I stArted adding up all the cost of all the components and meagans or BCs aren't too far off in price.  Come to think of it, the added benefits of the s13 conversion +coilovers outweighs the money you spend IMO.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 08:22:00 AM / 02-Aug-11
If you look at the image of sterling admiring his work, you can see that the appropriate drop is only really like an inch or two.

Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 02:03:42 PM / 02-Aug-11
Yeah. I see your point now.  Besides, I stArted adding up all the cost of all the components and meagans or BCs aren't too far off in price.  Come to think of it, the added benefits of the s13 conversion +coilovers outweighs the money you spend IMO.

Yeah, then you have the access of bigger brakes, front five lug that's easier to find, Etc etc. Not to mention brakes and bearings that are a LOT easier to service, higher steering angle kits, more choices in coilover system manufacturers. The only real benefit of not converting, is keeping the stock design and not requiring the coilovers. Which is great for some who want a nice drop, but Not sacrifice too much ride height/comfort.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Arro on 05:35:02 PM / 02-Aug-11
If you look at the image of sterling admiring his work, you can see that the appropriate drop is only really like an inch or two.

I'm dropped nearly 3" so "appropriate" depends on wheel and tire size and opinion.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 06:35:26 PM / 02-Aug-11
Tires and wheels have no effect on what im talking about. With 15s or 18s you can still only drop the car an in or so before you start compressing the strut.

Im talking about lowering at the strut itself.

Post Merge: 08:26:29 PM / 02-Aug-11
So you were talking about the other half that I completely forgot about.
Yeah, that IS another thing. Bottoming out struts is very very very very bad.....

Wait a minute.. We're BOTH right!










Awesome

I don't have that issue with my K sports. Adjustable length struts for the motherfucking win.
(Even if the springs are way to stiff....)

off topic, but do you have the ksports with the dampening knobbies on the bottom?
such a stupid design =/
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: JuneBug on 08:16:30 PM / 03-Aug-11
the rear suspension on a mustang though hasnt changed pretty much since the day it was designed...sra is just sooooooo simple.

If you ignore going from leaf springs to four link to three link.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 09:43:07 PM / 03-Aug-11
off topic, but do you have the ksports with the dampening knobbies on the bottom?
such a stupid design =/

Mine come in to the shock from the top.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: tommy on 11:31:07 PM / 03-Aug-11
^the ksport I had on my corolla were the same design, adjustable from the top... although the rear ones were not that easy to access...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wolf Dilworth on 01:54:30 AM / 04-Aug-11
...sra is just sooooooo simple.

Too simple, and Limiting.  Of course, if all you want to do is go in a straight line or drift, I guess...  Neither appeal to me.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 06:17:48 PM / 04-Aug-11
if the rear spring falling out worries you, then just get some limiting straps :P problem solved

oh and i thought id share this here. haha free front 5 lug :D and reverting back to 4x4.5 is as easy as removing one wheel stud and bolting your 4 lug wheel and rotor (unless drilled for both) back on.
http://ignitesoul.blogspot.com/2011/08/front-5-lug-conversion.html
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 01:31:10 AM / 05-Aug-11
that is the dumbest thing ive ever seen... whats stopping the stud from spinning when you try to tighten or loosen a lug? If you dont drill straight then your studs will be all pigeon dicked.

Its like masturbating at work... just dont do it.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SomeoneWhoIsntMe on 09:42:51 AM / 06-Aug-11
that is the dumbest thing ive ever seen... whats stopping the stud from spinning when you try to tighten or loosen a lug? If you dont drill straight then your studs will be all pigeon dicked.

Its like masturbating at work... just dont do it.
if you use a 1/2" bit (12.7mm), the knurl is definitely big enough (13.x or 14.x, I forget) to press in correctly. also, that's why you use a drill press and a vice, not a hand drill

so yeah... only try it if you're not an idiot

same argument would work for the weld on coilover mod... HEY GUYS WHAT'S STOPPING THEM FROM FALLING APART IF YOU USE JB WELD TO HOLD THE STRUT TUBES TOGETHER THIS MOD SUCKS
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wolf Dilworth on 10:18:01 AM / 06-Aug-11
I would be very careful about casually grinding away the webs on the back of the hub.  They are there to strengthen the flange of the hub, they are spaced for Four studs.  You may never have a problem, if you are lucky.  However, if done poorly you could cause stress risers which lead to cracks and ultimately failure. 

That means a wheel coming off at what would be a very bad period in time.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: tommy on 01:19:06 PM / 06-Aug-11
I just don't get it sometimes...

Come on guys, honestly, there is already a number of cheap option to convert from 4x4.5 to 5x4.5, why would someone weaken a perfectly good hub?

Plus IMO, there is enough good looking wheels that are 4x4.5 to stop anyone from wanting a 5x4.5... and those starion wheels are not what I'd call "a must have"... I really hope that guy didn't do that only to fit those wheels...

Anyways, for those that don't want to convert to an s12 SE, z31 or s14 front suspension, this is the REAL way to go

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/tpr3tc/e242e426.jpg)

(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b389/tpr3tc/78eaf0a0.jpg)

5 lugs billet hub, fits right in place, with stock bearing and stock brake.... but don't get to excited, they were designed for rwd corollas)

TPR motorsport was able to price them at 315$ a pair including shipping to the 48 lower States.  Hell, they had a group buy going on that reduce the price to 250$ a pair if 10 pairs where sold...

It wouldn't cost more than that to have some done with the specs of the s12 spindle instead... and it is dirt cheap compared to the cost of a what Wolf was describing above... a front wheel leaving at 60mph

Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 09:38:40 PM / 06-Aug-11
I just don't get it sometimes...

Come on guys, honestly, there is already a number of cheap option to convert from 4x4.5 to 5x4.5, why would someone weaken a perfectly good hub?

Plus IMO, there is enough good looking wheels that are 4x4.5 to stop anyone from wanting a 5x4.5... and those starion wheels are not what I'd call "a must have"... I really hope that guy didn't do that only to fit those wheels...

ummmmmmmmm, cause its free? haha everything has its disadvantages. and id MUCH rather do this as a temp job while i save money for a better way. sometimes this is all we have enough for(keep in mind not all of us have ballerific jobs and 6 figure or even 5 figure salaries and some are also even still in high school/college like myself), not everyone has a budget for $300 hubs and whatnot and mods like this is as cheap as it gets. id personally go for S14 SE hubs tho.

but not on an S12. 5lug S12s are weak :P hahaha
4x4.5 is where its at bro.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 12:49:36 AM / 07-Aug-11
why not do it right the first time.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 03:37:27 AM / 07-Aug-11
I still really, really do not understand this fascination with going 5 lug........
It's pretty pointless....
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Athens on 03:23:00 PM / 07-Aug-11
People go five lug so they aren't tempted to put good looking rims on their cars.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 05:31:08 PM / 07-Aug-11
lol, yah man, these hoshinos are a problem!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 06:05:52 PM / 07-Aug-11
I still really, really do not understand this fascination with going 5 lug........
It's pretty pointless....

people do it on s13s because you cant get any good wheels for an s13 without going 5lug, or well in decent sizes.

And a lot of the s12 community is people who wanted an s13/14 but settled for s12, because they wanted to be different. So... they try to style and s12 like they would a 13 or 14 but... that looks ugly broezzz.

Thats why.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 03:53:02 AM / 08-Aug-11
What's a "decent" size? They have 4x114.3 in 15's, 16's, and 17's with multiple widths, lower offsets, and staggering. There are lots of 'em out there.

 Anything bigger on an S13/S14 isn't really beneficial at all. Bigger brakes fit under 17's fine. Even ones that are almost too big for the car. That's the only logical reason I can think of having bigger wheels than 17's...

But, I'm also wondering this question about the E30 world. They have a fascination with 5 lug too. Except, the E30 has 4x100. The M3, OR any E36 hub conversion 5 lug is 5x120.
Now I ask you rhetorically, Which one is going to have more wheel varieties? 4x100, or 5x120?

I just don't get it. And I probably never will.... It's almost as if people modify the car to suit a certain set of wheels. Instead of buying wheels that suit the car.

Also, slightly off topic but it should be known, that I have this vehement disgust for people that spend a bazillion dollars on wheels. They're wheels, Not gold ingots....
Example? BBS RS's. Why the fuck are they worth 2k+?!? Sure they're pretty. But not 2k pretty...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 06:19:33 AM / 08-Aug-11
Im talking width and offset, a lot of wheel companys will make like a 4lug 17x7 +30 but the same wheel in 5lug will be made to 17x9 +30

for s12s, 4lug just has better wheels.

And drifting/driving on a 16x9 is way different than drift/driving on a 18x9

This past wednesday a friend and i were tandeming at our local spot, he was running 17s and 18s all day on his 1j s14, then when he put a pair of 16s on.... he just spun tire like crazy and just couldnt hook up.

A lot of guys have come to our local spot with SRs and what not, on 15s and sucked peepee, but we got them on some 17s and it made driving so much easier... same with guy comming with stock KAs running 17s, we put them on 15s and they can actually connect the straight.

Wiht 5lug, you just have more variety of wheel sizing, it probably wastn like that 6-7 years ago (idk, i was worried about masturbating then)  until everyone started going 5lug then the wheel companies followed.

im rambling.... This whole post is horribly written, but GETDAFUDGEOVERIT!
EDIT: S13/14 look dumb with anything smaller than 17s





Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 11:32:44 AM / 09-Aug-11
Jay's point is the whole meaning behind the self quote in my sig.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: mentalxpreshun on 01:05:22 PM / 09-Aug-11
I think quality and the material/manner in which the higher priced rims are made. Its all a matter of available funds and intended use of the wheels. When it comes to wheels, To each his own really. Not defending anyone really, just sayin... its not worth stressin over what other people are puttin on their cars. As long as any possible failure of their goods doesn't affect my car then all g haha
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wolf Dilworth on 09:41:43 PM / 09-Aug-11
I just don't get it. And I probably never will.... It's almost as if people modify the car to suit a certain set of wheels. Instead of buying wheels that suit the car.

Also, slightly off topic but it should be known, that I have this vehement disgust for people that spend a bazillion dollars on wheels. They're wheels, Not gold ingots....
Example? BBS RS's. Why the fuck are they worth 2k+?!? Sure they're pretty. But not 2k pretty...

Amen!  Brother Jay!  Can I get a hallelujah?...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:34:30 PM / 09-Aug-11
technically the rear is all bolt up or do we have to modify that?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 02:42:59 AM / 10-Aug-11
I just don't get it. And I probably never will.... It's almost as if people modify the car to suit a certain set of wheels. Instead of buying wheels that suit the car.


just because a wheel doesnt "fit" a car doesnt mean its bad for the car.

Rpf1's would look dumb on an s12, but they would perform better than a lot of wheels that wouldnt
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: S12-AR on 02:51:12 AM / 10-Aug-11
Why did this thread go from DIY Coilover to WHEELS?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Deezus on 07:11:33 AM / 10-Aug-11
because racecar
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jay on 02:12:56 PM / 10-Aug-11
because racecar
troof
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SomeoneWhoIsntMe on 02:49:41 PM / 10-Aug-11
somebody post a pic with the rear adjusters all the way down and specs on which springs you have... I'm trying to figure out if the eibach 600lb x 6.5" tall springs will go low enough
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: fyneyoungstunna on 09:58:39 PM / 10-Aug-11
i want to see pics of cars with this mod.....please
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Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:18:49 PM / 10-Aug-11
I phail at going back to the topic =P
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Post by: fyneyoungstunna on 01:44:46 PM / 12-Aug-11
Pics?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 10:18:25 PM / 24-Aug-11
I talked to my brother for a quick minute about what spring rates i should run in the front and then called t3 today. Ordered the 280zx GC coilovers with 400 lbs springs, the rcas and the caster camber plates. I already have mr2 struts on the car from my frankenshock setup with the canuck springs. I am thinking about going 400lbs in the back when the time comes.

My brother is running 350 in the front so that is how we decided 400 would be a good number...slightly heavier car with a slightly heavier engine. Parts should be here sometime next week...need to get new rotors, bearings, and pads for the front...i am going to strip the front down to just the tubes and take it down to the metal shop i used to work at and have them shorten the tubes and weld on the new sleeve. Then i will do the backs and install a cam bolt/file the mounting holes for the outer mustache bars in an attempt to correct the crazy neg camber going lower is going to induce. Hopefully this setup will work good on the autox this year with the steelies/slicks so i can beat up on those miatas.
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Post by: Deezus on 02:52:00 AM / 25-Aug-11
I always love when people beat miatas.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SomeoneWhoIsntMe on 03:54:33 PM / 26-Aug-11
I just got off the phone with fortune talking about weld-on tubes for cressidas...

They'll do coils with weld-on tubes if I can do 5 cars, and I'm going to get them dimensions for how the rear shock would have to work. They can make a coil-over shock that's roughly 12" compressed and however long extended, so it'd be a bolt-on setup to slam the S12. Only problem is, a custom rear shock to go low enough on the S12 is going to be a little more expensive, and nobody that owns an S12 wants to pay $1200 for coilovers.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 09:13:13 PM / 26-Aug-11
The rears are easy, we can just run foxbody mustang agxs with springs and sleeves.
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Post by: I_heart_VVL on 09:20:11 PM / 26-Aug-11
^or if your too cheap for AGXs, get Strange Engineering 10-Way shocks for Mustang, like 60bux iirc.
Mustang guys seem to love 'em.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wolf Dilworth on 11:41:45 PM / 26-Aug-11
They'll do coils with weld-on tubes if I can do 5 cars, and I'm going to get them dimensions for how the rear shock would have to work. They can make a coil-over shock that's roughly 12" compressed and however long extended, so it'd be a bolt-on setup to slam the S12. Only problem is, a custom rear shock to go low enough on the S12 is going to be a little more expensive, and nobody that owns an S12 wants to pay $1200 for coilovers.

If you are talking about using the shock mounting points for weight baring hard points, I would advise strongly against it.  Those shock brackets are not strong enough to take the load.  Prolly fail at the worst possible time, like in a corner.  You can use your imagination...  It would be a crying shame to loose an S-12 to something so stupid.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SomeoneWhoIsntMe on 02:30:41 PM / 27-Aug-11
If you are talking about using the shock mounting points for weight baring hard points, I would advise strongly against it.  Those shock brackets are not strong enough to take the load.  Prolly fail at the worst possible time, like in a corner.  You can use your imagination...  It would be a crying shame to loose an S-12 to something so stupid.
http://redz31.net/pages/coilovers.html

a BUNCH of people with z31's have done it.... if the s12 trunk is actually weaker and this is a problem, it wouldn't be difficult to weld a brace in
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 05:00:38 PM / 27-Aug-11
Everyone who has done an s13 rear end conversion has enforced the crap out of the rear shock towers. Everyone so far who has done rear coils with the stock s12 rear end has split the shock from the spring. Its easier to do, and you dont have to worry about the shock towers being too weak. E30s have the same basic rear end design and if you buy rear coil overs for an e30 they have you split the coils.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Taris Blue on 11:37:51 PM / 27-Aug-11
http://redz31.net/pages/coilovers.html

a BUNCH of people with z31's have done it.... if the s12 trunk is actually weaker and this is a problem, it wouldn't be difficult to weld a brace in

Z31's have a top hat for the rear shock tower which can distribute the load much better rather than a single mounting point like the s12 shock tower...it MAY still be possible to do this, but I would either reinforce the crap out of the mounting point or just let some one else try it first :)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 02:15:06 AM / 28-Aug-11
(http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/312052_10150768919125387_695415386_20497893_7716057_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: S12-AR on 12:42:35 AM / 29-Aug-11
^^Awsome man! I just finished mine recently too!
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 06:21:44 PM / 30-Aug-11
Sam. Would you measure the height of your gc springs for me?  I would like to try this with strange eng mustang front coilover sleeves and custom springs.  I like them because they have needle bearings integrated into the top hat. 
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wolf Dilworth on 12:17:26 AM / 31-Aug-11
...I am reffering to the lower mount point.  It was never designed to carry the weight of the rear end.  Yes, the tower is a poor design with the single through point.  Failure at the upper end of the shock will probably not lead to a total loss of control, however, failure at the bottom...   That will not fare so well.  The whole thing is just a bad idea.  Just because it has been done and has not failed, yet, does not mean that it is a good idea to do it. 

Do you want to be liable to Tommy's parents when they find out the "tragic accident" that caused their little Tommy's death was caused by your reckless alterations to your cars suspension? 

If I were a fab shop, I would never even think about selling such a "kit".  Food for thought...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 12:59:41 AM / 31-Aug-11
Sam. Would you measure the height of your gc springs for me?  I would like to try this with strange eng mustang front coilover sleeves and custom springs.  I like them because they have needle bearings integrated into the top hat. 

you want the front gc spring measurements or the backs? You totally just confused me...i have the fronts off the car now sitting in a corner of the shop now that the ground control coils are on the car...

(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/303088_10150773563350387_695415386_20562458_3198299_n.jpg)

(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/s720x720/296678_10150773562775387_695415386_20562453_4924880_n.jpg)

(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/291718_10150773563670387_695415386_20562460_2112308_n.jpg)

i am just waiting for the springs and coils to show up for the back...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Taris Blue on 12:14:21 PM / 31-Aug-11
The bottom mounting point on the control arm for the shock has never been an issue...people have been setting up full track setup Z31's using bolt on coilovers with that factory lower mounting point for almost 20 years...it's very strong...feel free to continue to worry needlessly though if you like.  I personally know of many setups just like this with LOTS of hard track miles and tens of thousands of hard street driving miles on them.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 03:37:49 PM / 31-Aug-11
I wanted the front gc coil free height measurement.  I'm trying to build a set with mustang front sleeves and Koni yellows.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 04:32:09 PM / 31-Aug-11
I get what you mean now....i was exhausted yesterday from working on the car all day. I will see what I can do for you in a day or two when I get some time. I went to get the car aligned today and my tie rod end on the passenger side was shot...so I have to wait for a new one to come from Spokane...prolly get the car aligned next week now. They told me they would only charge me 15 bucks to change out the tie rod end tho and 35 for the alignment so I was like you guys can just change it before the alignment then.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 07:44:37 PM / 31-Aug-11
Cool thanks.  That sux about these cars since their so old. Stuff just keeps breaking.  I was just going to do the S13 conv. but I wanted to see if I could make this work before I fork over 1100 funtickets for megans or BCs.  So Sam are you going with the same setup as EightySix in the rear too?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 10:30:01 PM / 31-Aug-11
Correct, same set up in the rear. Only problem is I wanted to use 400 lbs springs in the back, and the lowest they had was 550....
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wolf Dilworth on 09:34:50 AM / 02-Sep-11
I personally know of many setups just like this with LOTS of hard track miles and tens of thousands of hard street driving miles on them.

"Bully for you" Taris

I still stand on my assertion, I have seen similar set-ups develop cracks, fortunately caught before they failed.

Back to topic.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: SomeoneWhoIsntMe on 09:05:57 PM / 04-Sep-11
Stock shocks - 23" extended, 15.875" compressed
SN95 shocks - 19.125" extended, 14.5" compressed

If I have new strut rods machined for s13 rear coilovers so they work with sandwich bushings instead of a camber plate, I can end up with something that at it's lowest setting is something like 16.5" extended and 13" or so compressed...

I'm going to measure on my s12 to be sure, but I feel like this would be pretty swell.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: EightySix200SX on 02:55:08 AM / 05-Sep-11
I'll fix links soon been busy nice to see people retaining there stock components w some fab work I favor this method now to just use f31 tubes and ill be happy
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 02:27:21 PM / 05-Sep-11
david b told me that t3 will be updating their website soon with an actual s12 link....they are working on a 4 link for him for his sra.

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i know fyne wanted some pics of the car with the full set up on it....so here we go. I lowered the back to the point where the sleeve isnt maxxed out...but only one coil of the spring is still in the spring housing thing in the top at the control arms full stroke...i didnt want to go much lower than that because i was worried about the spring falling out at full stroke...also, i am going to be fiixng the camber in 2 weeks.

side shot
(http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/319979_10150781973015387_695415386_20662179_7478565_n.jpg)

side shot before with uncut canucks
(http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/314864_10150771342735387_695415386_20534879_3034531_n.jpg)
front shot; (I can go a bit lower still...but this is ok for now...might lower it more later.)
(http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/319259_10150781971170387_695415386_20662162_3616012_n.jpg)

and rear camber shot...
(http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/307934_10150781969760387_695415386_20662146_5752610_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: S12-AR on 02:40:33 AM / 06-Sep-11
Nice man! How is the ride with the rear 500lbs springs?
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Post by: sam31183 on 02:45:28 AM / 06-Sep-11
It isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be...haha.
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Post by: S12-AR on 02:49:58 AM / 06-Sep-11
Would you recommend them for daily driving?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 03:15:43 AM / 06-Sep-11
So far I would say they aren't too bad for daily. I am getting an alignment tomorrow so I will be able to drive it harder and more. I have just been driving it to work and back and it feels ok. I want to drive it on some more varied road conditions though.
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Post by: EightySix200SX on 10:09:08 PM / 06-Sep-11
Good to know cuz ill be upping my rates 350 is too soft...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 11:27:36 PM / 06-Sep-11
the lowest daymotorsports.com had in the sss blue coils in the size we need was 550. I took the car over some bumpy roads and around some of my favorite close stomping grounds today and it was fine. I am still learning the cars handling characteristic right now though. It feels like i have more grip in the back right now than i do in the front. Also the car has more grip...but when it looses grip its twitchier. I want to put star specs on the front and see what that does. The canucks where more predictable....but there is way more potential with this set up. Also, braking into a corner....the car brakes way harder now....i was super impressed.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: fyneyoungstunna on 09:39:35 PM / 11-Sep-11
so on the lower perch, if one were to weld in a ring for the spring to sit; would that curb some of the fear factor of these failing?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 02:04:37 AM / 12-Sep-11
i was actually thinking that it would be better to attach some metal to the top housing that the top of the spring sits in...if you add anything to the lower perch its just going to make the rear end sit higher.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: fyneyoungstunna on 10:39:18 AM / 13-Sep-11
like a collar around the spring? or a lip around it?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 02:00:24 PM / 13-Sep-11
nooo....there is this top housing thing that the top of the spring sits in....when the control arm goes down to far if you have the sleeve adjusted super low the spring has a chance of falling out of the top housing...if you were to attach some metal to the housing to make it go down further than you wouldnt have to worry about the top of the spring popping out if you went over a bump or something. This is the reason why a lot of people have used limiter straps to keep the control arm from having its full down stroke....but, there is a chance that the strap could break eventually....depending on what you use for a strap and what not. There are a lot of forces at work there...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 8SixS12 on 11:19:19 PM / 16-Sep-11
Sam, you never measured the spring height on your GC coilovers for me. 
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 11:25:34 PM / 16-Sep-11
I know, I have been busy and haven't even put the front of the car back up in the air yet. I have a weird sound coming from the front I want to check out though, so I might do it Monday on my next day off.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: S12-AR on 02:33:23 AM / 17-Sep-11
I know, I have been busy and haven't even put the front of the car back up in the air yet. I have a weird sound coming from the front I want to check out though, so I might do it Monday on my next day off.

Regarding the noise, when you order your set up from TTT, did you also get some sleeves that go in the camber plate's bearing hole?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 03:34:44 AM / 17-Sep-11
I got the sleeves for a Toyota since I am running sw20 shocks.
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Post by: EightySix200SX on 10:08:28 AM / 17-Sep-11
It's binding u can get a lower sandwich bearing to go under the sleeve so it can rotate freely
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 12:49:46 PM / 17-Sep-11
It sounds like its only the passenger side though...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: fyneyoungstunna on 12:40:49 AM / 23-Sep-11
I was talking about a collar around the bottom. Isnt that what dave or whomever was talking about being dangerous if it fell out? my bad if i got it backwards.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 01:03:03 AM / 23-Sep-11
the collar on the bottom cant really fallout though...only the top of the spring...
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Osad on 08:44:46 AM / 25-Nov-11
Question:

I have been using the suspension kit from Megan, but the rear is all kinds of wonky, and the collars are of poor quality and siezed. I was wondering if I could use this spring/perch combo with the 's13' rear strut?

Thanks,
Dan
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 07:07:41 PM / 29-Nov-11
yes you can, just do what you would do if you were using S13 coilovers.
swap the lower mount bushing with the S12 one since its a smaller ID, and take off the upper mounts like so.
(http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f102/nenhenry/summer%20project/IMG_3851.jpg)
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Osad on 10:15:55 PM / 30-Nov-11
Heh, thanks! I already have the suspension installed. Im just wondering if the heights and tolerance will remain the same using the day motorsports stuff with the megan s13 strut.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: I_heart_VVL on 05:01:10 PM / 01-Dec-11
yep, should be the same.
its only a spring and perch.
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Post by: VG30_S12 on 08:10:14 PM / 01-Dec-11
Rather than start a new thread, just gonna throw this out seeing as its very related...If it needs a new thread go ahead and split it

Edit* GD pics won't work... So just google penultimate on image search

Why has no one tried this? I saw it was discussed but nothing really came of it?

I've got another irs rear and a cheap flux welder I may experiment with
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Post by: I_heart_VVL on 08:24:28 PM / 01-Dec-11
you mean penultimate rear crossmember?
(http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee461/ShakotanS12/9080_Penultimate_for_james.jpg)
yeah that's awesome, I can see it taking lotsa fab and money to get it right though.
i thought it would just be easier to weld some of these in and get rid of rubber bushings while I'm at it.. but that'd just take care of toe...
(http://technotoytuning.com/media/products/lca_kit_2.jpg)
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Post by: Gomesf1 on 11:12:44 PM / 06-Dec-11
the web sites on first page are broken AHHHH please fix
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:53:01 PM / 06-Dec-11
There easy to get the right url's
Front
ROLL CENTER ADJUSTERS- http://www.technotoytuning.com/productdetail.php?p=815
S13 CAMBERPLATES- http://www.technotoytuning.com/productdetail.php?p=819
280ZX GC SLEEVES- http://www.technotoytuning.com/productdetail.php?p=802
RockAuto.com  92 MR2 Front Shocks (Part Number: 765015) KYB AGX

Rear
SPRING PERCH [MUST USE SS-85500-A] http://www.daymotorsports.com/product/352/SPRING-SPACERS
SPRINGS [MUST USE 5"X8" SPRING] http://www.daymotorsports.com/product/389/FRONT-COIL-SPRINGS
RockAuto.com 96 Mustang FoxBody Shocks (Part Number: 743021)  KYB AGX
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Post by: Gomesf1 on 12:03:23 AM / 07-Dec-11
thank you sir and do the have to be agx cuz some on there are 40 and agx are like 100
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:07:46 AM / 07-Dec-11
That I do not know, I think it's for the best performance for the mod, it's recommended AGX.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jordan on 09:34:36 PM / 21-Dec-11
I will be doing this over the summer. Hoping to start gathering parts over the next couple months. I need to know what the max height is that can be achieved with this setup. I need to have my car higher for winter driving and parking lots. I do want the adjustable setup.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 10:04:21 PM / 21-Dec-11
Technically you can raise it up and down the full length of the sleeves...from the looks of it you could definitely have a 4x4 ride height if you wanted to for snow or like rallyx. Besides rubbing all the time I am pretty happy with my set ride height so I haven't messed with it...i might get some lolz though after seeing my car way up in the air.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Jordan on 10:22:36 PM / 21-Dec-11
That sounds like there's plenty of adjustment. What's causing the rubbing?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: sam31183 on 11:30:14 PM / 21-Dec-11
Speedbumps and dips and shit. :p
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Unleashedrb200sx on 08:35:56 PM / 06-Jan-12
a friend of mine just bought an 84 (solid axle) i just want to know if the bc suspension kit would fit with an s13 front convertion   the most important of the question is would the rear setup fit ???

Post Merge: 08:16:43 AM / 07-Jan-12
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Post by: zilvia_brothers on 07:31:28 AM / 11-Mar-12
Whats spring rate are you guys you using for DD. i usually like driving stiff but too much to hurt my back
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: silverton on 03:48:46 AM / 23-Mar-12
FRONT:
ROLL CENTER ADJUSTERS- https://technotoytuning.com/nissan/s130/roll-center-adjusters-datsun-280zx
S13 CAMBERPLATES- https://technotoytuning.com/nissan/s13/camber-plates-nissan-s13
280ZX GC SLEEVES- https://technotoytuning.com/nissan/s130/front-ground-control-weld-coilover-kit-datsun-280zx
MR2 SHOCKS- KYB AGX 765015

REAR:
SPRING PERCH [MUST USE SS-85500-A]- http://www.daymotorsports.com/product/352/SPRING-SPACERS
SPRINGS [MUST USE 5"X8" SPRING]- http://www.daymotorsports.com/product/389/FRONT-COIL-SPRINGS
FOXBODY SHOCKS- KYB AGX 743021

Me updating this with fresh links, as the OP links are dead and never "rendered" correctly, should let you know I'm up to something... though, I'm probably not going to end up using any of these parts. LOL ;)
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Post by: Dr.Steels on 08:10:59 PM / 12-Apr-12
Found what I was looking for
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Post by: Ju_S12_Turbo on 04:10:41 AM / 26-Jun-12
FYI Day Motor sports still sells the SSS springs (Cheaper shipping and stuff as well) they just moved the url, For "Front springs (Minimum 550 lbs and max 850lbs)  " http://www.daymotorsports.com/proddisp.php?ln=14667  And for "Rear springs (Minimum 100 lbs Max 400lbs) http://www.daymotorsports.com/proddisp.php?ln=14828
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: 420-86notch on 07:53:17 PM / 24-Sep-12
would these springs work on oem front shock tubes and the stock rear perches
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: seishuku on 10:58:00 PM / 29-Oct-12
Quick question:
How much travel do the Eibach springs offer, compared to OEM strut/spring setup?

I ask, because looking at the springs that come with the T3 weld-on kit, it looks like it seriously limits the suspension travel.

Unless I can order taller springs when I order the kit?
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Arro on 11:17:33 AM / 30-Oct-12
Once you sleeve it, Eibach will make you whatever spring you want in whatever spec you want, both rate and dimensions.
Title: Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
Post by: Basic on 01:38:46 PM / 14-Jan-14
so, reading through this thread, i had a question on how adjustable the right height is, specifically for the rear. I understand this depends on what spring rate you run, but assuming you run something that's a typical daily spring rate (maybe 400 lb/in) for the rear - what kind of height adjustment can you expect? I want a slightly lower than stock height, the springs that are on my car now are too low and making the rear camber really wonky.