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Title: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:31:27 AM / 30-Sep-13
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Well since this was for sale and my graduating issues with my firebird and just recently firebird blown a head gasket, I picked up this old Blue Demon.

This just became my restore project thanks Mr and MS Sideways for allowing me to purchase this fine hatch, it's clean, it's nice, and it will decimate all when I put a few G's in her and overnite a few parts from Japan.

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Going to full on restore her with the ca20e for now, when I rack up on the cash next year she will get a ka24de upgrade.  0 Plans to drift this one as this is going to be my daily driver that I want to take long road trips on with.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:35:21 AM / 30-Sep-13
make a list of parts you need. I have the intake piping and maf for sure
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:40:45 AM / 30-Sep-13
Parts in the need so far:

1) Brake Master Cyl
2) Clutch Slave ?!? I need to look at why it's just dangling down there.
3) Plug wires
4) Battery
5) eFans (because, the clutch fan is just janky)
6) vaccum hoses I should have 90% of these hoses from the inspection that I have done.
7) Lugs
8) Tires
9) Intake box
10) Extra Ehaust piping to connect from the headers to the rear end DC 4inch tip exhaust pipe. ( or might switch with my fairlady silva project. )

Need to inspect is the brake pads & rotors, transmission lines, fuel pump.

I also need to set the timing since the dizzy wasn't pushed down and it could be out of timing. Yay for my trusty timing light.

Then she will be road worthy.


edit: I was just typing that up lol.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: burritomannn on 10:59:50 PM / 30-Sep-13
Nice pick up! She looks fun haha
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: turbo-s12 on 08:33:38 PM / 02-Oct-13
Pics of the headers? What brand?
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:48:48 PM / 02-Oct-13
Stock.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Jeremy A on 10:45:29 PM / 02-Oct-13
RIGHTEOUS.

it will decimate all when I put a few G's in her and overnite a few parts from Japan.

do tell
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:43:13 PM / 02-Oct-13
Well at this point it's to get her running first, she needs to be reliable.  Don't care about the power band at the moment, lol.

I might throw in a surprise and pick up something special for this one. But I will not give out what I have in store for her.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:45:51 PM / 02-Oct-13
I should have a stock exhaust manifold somewhere
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:46:59 PM / 02-Oct-13
I have the stock exhaust manifold, it is just missing that cat converter. Does it really need one though?
Title: Re: i\\\'m blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:48:24 PM / 02-Oct-13
seriously tho make a list of all the parts and come raid these piles of crap i have

do you want it to pass smog legit? then yes. Just to drive no
Post Merge
i have a whole exhaust also. its crappy but passable until you build a better setup
Post Merge
and i might have a cat somewhere too
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:58:53 PM / 02-Oct-13
Getting classic vehicle plates, I will have to come by when you don't close and see what I can piece together.

The majority of the list is above. I have no free time this week to put it on stilts and inspect the underside.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: turbo-s12 on 12:15:06 AM / 03-Oct-13
Ubstill gotta do smog on a 86 in vegas that's wierd
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:16:00 AM / 03-Oct-13
If classics no, unless I drive over 5k in a year in mileage.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 01:44:52 AM / 03-Oct-13
friday i'm off at 5
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:48:12 AM / 03-Oct-13
Sweet so am I
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:49:52 PM / 03-Oct-13
the slave cyl is dangling becuase I didn't hook it up it was fine when i drove it 4 years ago but should probably be replaced. I see you kept the name lol Mybe I should open my old thread and merge them.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:50:55 PM / 03-Oct-13
LOL,  well I plan to replace all Master and Slave trying to make all new belts and hoses.

Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:06:26 PM / 25-Oct-13
Update
A box full of goodies, she will fire up this weekend and idle.

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Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:18:08 PM / 26-Oct-13
awesome!
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:56:10 AM / 23-Dec-13
Well seems to be more then a hassle right now, but I am slowly working on removing the master brake cyl. Working on soldering the wires for the fuel pump with a walbro 190 I have.

Just trying to figure out where what goes where in the process.  Here is a current pic of how she sits.

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Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:22:56 AM / 23-Dec-13
Wish I didn't have to sell her :( but at least she is in good hands.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:47:18 AM / 23-Dec-13
She is in good hands. I am taking my time slowly but surely. If at most she might get a ka24 upgrade in the future if the ca20 wants to be mean.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:06:47 AM / 23-Dec-13
The ca should be good...
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:34:53 PM / 01-Jan-14
well still working on soldiering slowly the fuel pump main access / carrier.  seems to have broken wires at the top that might not be able to be soldered back together so might just need to drill out the holes and recreate it or locate a replacement from the junk yard.

Other then that, I kinda have lost inspiration to make this my daily driver as I had to deal with a DSM, but I finally made a choice and took over the DSM issues and towing that over on monday to get it out of the drive way and get it in the right hands with a real mechanic.

I almost wanted to do the same think with this one. But still in decision due to alot of life changing events going on right now. I really want this ride up and running and making it super clean restore project.
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:05:21 AM / 02-Jan-14
i can help with the blue car
Title: Re: i'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Blue Demon Hatch.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:14:55 PM / 02-Jan-14
Yeah hit me up when you have extra time.
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:56:53 PM / 08-Feb-14
Some progress finally, cleaning up the fuel delivery.

Turns out the gas is not gas anymore it is now molasses!
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It's so thick.. So siphoning this out is out of the question. Turns out the best way is to pull the tank and flush it out.

Checking out the rear suspension, defiantly stock springs with new looking shocks?
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Also I see a small leak from the rear end.
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Dropped the fuel tank.
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Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:04:00 PM / 08-Feb-14
Yeah all the suspension is the way it was when I bought it lol
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:52:50 AM / 12-Feb-14
Before dealing with my work being hacked and taken over and my personal information just got leaked to the whole world for 30 minutes.

I was able to bleed my Master Brake Cyl. till I broke one of the plastic pieces and some odd reason I Messed up the removal in the processes and was not able to finish as I had to leave to work.

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Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:57:18 AM / 12-Mar-14
Gary had the car towed to Silhouette Autosports (aka my garage) today. I went over the whole car and made a to-do list.

Some basic info
Its a 1986 low option hatch. Original CA20/5spd car. Not a bad s12 to have. In fact its a damn good one.
Heres the to-do list:
-fix rear diff leak
-flush and install gas tank
-install gas filler neck
-replace fuel lines, front and back
-replace missing driver side rear quarter glass. this apparently blew out during the tow truck ride to my house. the car was nose rearward on the truck. I thought i had one extra already but I dont. Shouldnt be a problem getting one from the junkyard.
-new windshield, its all cracked to hell. just gonna have professionals come and do it at my house. Already know its $160
-new wipers
-rewire or replace engine harness. Gary has an extra harness and ecu from an 85 ca20 car. I'll check out the wiring and see which option is best.
-clean out interior
-new drivers door window guides
-fix weather strip in several places
-remove and replace head from block
-replace timing belt kit
-replace water pump
-check all seals and gaskets
-check valve train, pistons, bores
-perform compression check
-change oil and filter
-replace needed hoses and vac lines
-simplify cooling system
-delete emissions system
-delete A/C system
-check and repair heater if needed
-service and adjust door/hatch locks and latches
-replace hatch struts
-replace fuel filter
-replace alt/water pump drive belt
-rewire fuel pump
-replace O2 sensor
-reinstall rear interior
-replace radiator hoses
-new radiator cap, wrong cap currently on rad
-install new brake master cyl
-bleed brakes
-replace missing hood prop
-reinstall exhaust manifold and downpipe
-replace missing catalytic converter (gutted)
-build new catback exhaust from extra parts I have. I'm the one that took it off in the first place.
-replace or repair broken drivers seat
-fix interior door lock actuators
-replace one missing window guide in passenger door
-replace missing exhaust mani studs
-new battery
-Alignment
-hose out engine bay and under car (leaves and spiders everywhere)
-delete clutch dampener
-flush/bleed clutch fluid
-new distributor o-ring
-replace at least 2 tires (wrong/mismatched sizes and poor condition)
-delete remaining power steering system
-depower rack and pinion (internal mod)
-replace broken radio antenna
-repair or replace ebrake handle
-replace poor condition steering wheel
-check and repair windshield washers
-check speedo cable and speedo function
-repair hatch/gas door release
-replace all lugnuts with correct Mag style 12x1.25
-replace outer tie rods
-reset steering rack pretension when modding, internal rack has play
-repack front wheel bearings
-bolt in trans mount (loose)
-tighten front bumper support
-new front brake pads, resurface rotors
-replace missing LR caliper ebrake spring
-replace rear shocks
-replace front struts
-replace rack boots
-replace missing passenger side interior A pillar trim
-check/drain and fill trans fluid
-replace missing stock airbox, duct, and filter
-replace missing interior shift boot and frame
-replace broken driver side rearview mirror
-replace missing battery hold down

I'm sure there are a few things I missed for now and theres always more maintenance that could be done but these are all the repair items I found.  After all this it'll be a solid daily driver.

Took a few pics to show the starting point for me.

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Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:26:13 AM / 12-Mar-14
Yeah what he said, sinuses are killing me right now... but damn that was the window he talked about, I knew I forgot to tape that window down before I left.
There is a few parts that I still have in my garage as I thought I grabbed it all, such as the upper rad hose and other misc small parts.

Red car is still out there and should have some more extra parts if needed, I will start with the order from Rock auto on the extra parts in that list. Will get that battery this weekend or after Sunday atleast, ideally I wanted to toss 5 new tires on all 5 rims and toss out that doughnut.

That fuel pump came from the red car, it looked alright not sure if it works though, the other one that came with the blue car fell apart as soon as I touched it all the wiring is nearly dead. I also have a walbro255 (not 190, even though paid for the price of it) brand new but that idea was for the sev6 for future modifications ie if I end up going turbo vg33e in the future with thought of just swapping the sev6 fuel pump into that blue car. I got to find that shift boot though, I think the red car had it out there but different color, I could of sworn I had the blue one in the car, if not I will search the garage too.

I also have an exhaust DC muffler that is either 3 1/2" or 4" big that we can swap the turbo thrush on the sev6 with that on the blue car for the turbo thrush muffler.   

That list looks legit though, 2/3 is what I had in mind as well. More and more I looked at this more it felt a bit over my head and hopefully this also sets with my brother in his car and get his dsm to trev tech soon or keep listing it for $1500 to get rid of that terrible car.

I can't wait till this is done it's exciting news!  it's going to not only look nice, but drive nice too (being optimistic) and on the humor side I will finally stop getting random people asking to buy it.

Don't mind that seat, I have the driver seat that should be there that is currently installed on my sev6 till I can find a bucket seat replacement.
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:41:07 AM / 12-Mar-14
What's wrong with the head why remove and replace it I just had it machined at fultz machine shop. Also the granola are brand new oem Nissan .
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:51:25 AM / 12-Mar-14
Might have been forgotten, but will know more tomorrow.   Granola?
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: EternalSwap on 03:48:34 PM / 12-Mar-14
He got that Nissan OEM granola for his yogurt
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: IggyEGuana on 10:05:19 PM / 12-Mar-14
auto correct WIN! haha thanks Jason. one less thing to worry about.
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:34:45 AM / 13-Mar-14
Headstuds stupid auto.correct
Title: Re: I'm blue de da ba dee - 86 Ol Blue Devil.
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:54:16 AM / 13-Mar-14
Autocorrect ftw... lol
Title: Re: 1986 200sx Hatch - Daily Build
Post by: Wonderingraven on 06:01:46 PM / 25-May-14
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Starting to come together nicely, thanks to the red hatch picked up from Insane Speed for some spare parts and of course Silhouette Autosports for the help. The body is straight on the red shell so it might look good for my sev6 replacement shell if I end up wrecking too so I can keep this one as my daily / show car.

It is getting closer, Next is engine harness swap and wiring in the ignition system.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily Build
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:01:01 PM / 25-May-14
Why you change the name?
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily Build
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:01:18 PM / 25-May-14
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She still the blue devil!
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Devil
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:18:24 AM / 26-May-14
It was Blue demon but it's cool lol
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Devil
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:29:25 AM / 26-May-14
Blue demon leveled up to Blue Devil
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Devil
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:35:30 PM / 26-May-14
hahaha ok
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Devil
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:23:53 PM / 28-May-14
Ironically my blue hatch is the same color with the same turbo mesh wheels.
I ordered a set of these for her.

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Should be here in the next 2 weeks.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Devil
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:34:46 AM / 29-May-14
Sweet!
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 06:30:39 PM / 06-Jul-14
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and installed
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:13:03 PM / 06-Jul-14
Nice
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:22:51 AM / 12-Aug-14
More progress is going on, my sev6 2" exhaust is now fully bolted up,  filled with oils and clutch has been bled. Engine is dressed up a bit nicely. some tires addressed to the rims and starting to really look like a normal clean s12.

Next is to finish up bolting up the last few pieces and start it up and troubleshoot any possibly glitches in the wiring that is left.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:19:36 AM / 12-Aug-14
Nice!
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:53:42 AM / 13-Aug-14
wiring today kicked my ass. these systems are complicated and the mk1 and mk2 power distribution is very different. Easy to put a mk2 engine harness in a mk1 car but its a nightmare the other way around. mk2 has sooooo many relays! Gonna start from scratch and rethink it.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:29:03 AM / 15-Aug-14
Well we learned that we cannot put an mk1 engine harness with an mk2 body with out modifications IE custom fuse box to cover 3 to 1 power switches. and also when I got the car, it had an mk1 dizzy that does not work with the mk2 body harness / engine harness as well. Luckly the dizzy at the yard was an 88 mk2 ca20 car, so I lucked out big time.

Here is the first video attempting to *wake up* the electronics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvezAXAjFcY&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Cleaned a few injector plugs, gave it a little voltage, then this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6VjG3i5-B8&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Cleaned up the injector that wasn't firing and sent some voltage threw it and then this happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ahwF2x_vTo&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

It is running very rich but at this point I was able to drive it to my home which drove great regardless.

Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: pakii-afa on 01:32:00 AM / 15-Aug-14
i think its running rich cause you dont have the valve cover hose hooked up to the intake pipe, the motor will pull in un maffed air and the o2 will read a lean mix and the computer will compensate with more fuel to clean up the next cycle.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:02:31 AM / 27-Aug-14
Hooked up the valve cover and still runs like crap. CHanged out the fuel injectors and it slightly made a difference but still super rich with alot of smoke.
I am thinking at this point possible that the ca20e maf is just not good, or this coolant temp sensor is in the need of replacement.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:36:05 PM / 29-Aug-14
Maybe the diaphram in the fpr is bad? Did you check.codes ?
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:15:40 PM / 29-Aug-14
can't change the FPR as it is build with the rail, unless you have anther rail I could try lol, also do you happen to also have a maf i could also try?
I also need to replace or clean the connectors.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:15:46 AM / 31-Aug-14
I might have a rail but the only mafs I have are 18et/det
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:34:28 AM / 31-Aug-14
I picked up the maf from the red notch at the junk yard.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:54:13 AM / 01-Sep-14
Let me know if that works...
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:53:33 AM / 01-Sep-14
It actually works, still smoking some but it seems to be tuneable now. Idle at 1100 but got it down to 950. Later I'll pull it out of the garage and replace the cat gasket and tune it.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:00:58 PM / 10-Sep-14
Few updates, today I went a head and

Before the timing this is how she sits now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJPWfAMo-Pw&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Adjusted the timing to the book specs and adjusted the air screw and boom no more smoke especially driving now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4VphfH61pQ&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Next is I just ordered 6 ev1 connectors to fix the wiring, then it is just windshield, and figure out the issue with the clutch and she is finally daily status.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:37:11 PM / 13-Sep-14
Decided to replace the Clutch Slave today.

Out with the old...
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In with the new
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So I found this guy in between the master and slave and went WTF is this device?
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So I looked at it and said it needs a simple replacement as this is useless piece of junk.
So I picked up an 10mm 1.0 Flared Coupler it was the only flared coupler they had anyways and bypassed this piece of junk.

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Now the clutch is solid, how it should be and much easier to drive. Next is wiring in the ev1 connectors to replace the bad ones.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:54:53 AM / 14-Sep-14
Good shit!
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:48:42 PM / 24-Sep-14
Well back to the major issue at hand, I can't drive it around with a wall of smoke behind me. 

Latest updates is I upgraded the ev1 connectors and doing so there is no more loose connection between all 6 connectors, 1 on the aux air control valve, Cyl Head Temp Sensor, and the 4 injectors. I got some ev1 snap on so it will be easy to remove if necessary.   Played with the fuel pressure and I get 29 - 30psi at idle and WOT it climbs to 37 but drops to around 20 - 25 not sure if that helps but it does idle back at 29-30psi. 

Here is a video of it before I adjusted the timing currently 19 - 20 advanced
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJPWfAMo-Pw&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Here is the psi gauge for the fuel pressure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCHMmXNF3y0&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

This is after I adjusted the timing just at 4 as the book recommended.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAwmRl6UgRE&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

2/3 of the tank full with STP Fuel injector cleaner with 91 octane.

THis is just a random video I took of the engine shaking and with the new connectors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRZvYQWSPVg&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: IggyEGuana on 12:40:22 PM / 25-Sep-14
the fuel pressure drop after revving is normal.

The next step in testing the fuel system is to monitor the injector duty cycle with an oscilloscope. there are bound to be youtube videos on how to do it and you could get an o-scope from radio shack or thru a friend who does electronics repair.

For some reason you are getting an incomplete burn of the fuel. I'm pretty sure we did a compression check and it was good but you may want to do it again if you dont recall we did it. I may be remembering wrong. You also should do a leak down test.

If compression comes out low across all cyls then check the mechanical timing. We/you might've done that already. I dont remember. If it was already done and/or is good then you may want to inspect the valve train for loose rockers or any other obvious signs that something is wrong and causing an incomplete opening of the valves. The rockers were all good and adjusted slightly loose when I had the valve cover off but that is by no means enough to cause a problem. Just a little noise.

Something is causing an incomplete burn. It may be that theres too much fuel or it could be low compression, bad timing, low valve lift, valve leakdown. All those things will indicate each other though. Symptoms and test results will be obvious.

If the o-scope test shows too much duty cycle than the ecu is calculating more load than it actually has. The fsm has test procedures for that. It will explain how load is calculated and how to test all the sensors involved. There might even be a troubleshooting tree for it
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Its hard to tell by the videos but if the problem truly has become intermittent then its electronic in nature. good luck
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:32:18 PM / 25-Sep-14
o-scope, I will give that a try. Timing is what seems to be a bigger impact  more I change it the more / less it actually smokes more of the engine it seems to impact.

I remember you saying all the cyl are good with the compression as you have done it when you took it to firestone that one time.  If I don't pass out after work I'll actually read up on the valve leakdown see if there is more engine troubleshooting to move forward with.  I got my birthday tuesday, and I have 4 days off after tomorrow so this weekend will be a full of troubleshooting and testing getting to the bottom of it.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: IggyEGuana on 08:43:04 PM / 25-Sep-14
Cool. Happy birthday
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:06:14 PM / 25-Sep-14
Thanks man

I wonder would the cas cause issues like this?
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:43:57 PM / 27-Sep-14
Timing seems to help but now driving it, seems to be very sluggish =/
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: IggyEGuana on 08:45:33 PM / 27-Sep-14
Cas could cause timing or misfire issues. It tells the ecu when the injectors should pulse but not for how long. If you can get one for cheap it's worth a shot just as a test.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:56:50 PM / 27-Sep-14
Yeah, I was thinking that because of that same reason. Problem is I heard I can use the VG30's CAS in these electronic advanced dizzy's for the mk2's
and I cannot find the ca20 cas. But I know I can find the vg30's with no problem at all.  I'll pull the dizzy tomorrow and inspect it before I do the leak down testing to eliminate the issue with that.
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Yep time to get some more stuff tested before I rule out the CAS causing problems.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:12:12 PM / 29-Sep-14
Turns out I need an air compressor to complete the leak down test.
SO I went with the dizzy troubleshooting first. I took it out and the disc inside is dirty with crust and when I undone the screws the cas fell apart, and the screw that holds the cas in place is stuck and undoing the screw I ended up destroying the screw.  So I now I need to tap out the screw and replace it.  So in this case I decided to just replace the whole unit.  Sourced out someone selling one. Now the wait is back on.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:50:55 PM / 02-Oct-14
Well out of a hunch this is what I have done with the dizzy.

This was a junk yard dizzy did not come with the blue hatch :laugh:  mk1.5 / mk2 uses the Electronic Advanced Dizzy that share the same CAS as the VG30 it seems.... I hate this Crank Angle Sensor! with a passion.

Anyways attempting to remove the bolt from the center was a failure with out doing a full drip and tap.
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After I have unbolted the CAS from the dizzy, take a peak at this guy! another possible issue.
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When I first removed the metal plate that covered all of this oil dripped out.
Now that I have it all removed, this is what it looked like underneath.

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Note to self, when you pull electronics from the junk yard, to clean it first replace anything sensor related before installing.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:39:36 AM / 05-Oct-14
Thanks to Sideways s12 I now have a working car now. With a little help on the timing part, she fires up on the first touch.
It started with a little bit of smoke but went away. 

Here is a running video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lervbz2K16k&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:16:23 PM / 22-Oct-14
Little bit of an update, replaced the valve stem seals and re-torque the head to help eliminate a weird oil leak between the head and the block.
and trying to eliminate massive oil leaking into the 4th cyl.

Did a cyl test on all 4 and as Iggy was saying, the test is good. Follow up with the same test and t's all good.

Did both a dry and wet test.
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This is the compression consistently on all 4 cyl.

And wet with 2TBS of oil in each cyl
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Suspecting the rings is not good, but she does drive good just having a cloud of white smoke behind me is just not what I am going after. 
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:44:42 PM / 24-Oct-14
Well, as suspected the rings are toast, I am sourcing out a swap to the KA24de that I am getting from sideways. Rebuilding that would be better in the end if you think about it, the ka is a strong truck motor.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: pakii-afa on 05:37:48 PM / 24-Oct-14
^ i always found that to be a funny statement, the ka came in the 240sx before the truck received it.
89-90 240sx - ka24e
91+ 240sx - ka24de

89 d21 - z24
90 d21 - ka24e
98 frontier - ka24de

:)
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:53:28 PM / 24-Oct-14
Indeed I normally say it as being sarcastically funny.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:40:47 PM / 29-Oct-14
Well time to remove that ca20 it is more worth overhauling a ka24de in it's place. It was a great run, and it did ran good just the rings are toast.

Just got my ka24de, now it is time for the overhaul.

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That wiring harness though, I might want to source one with an ecu.
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I wonder if the pwr-2 would also be an upgrade for this? :-D
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I now have the full KA swap.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:42:27 AM / 27-Nov-14
In the middle of the KA24DE rebuild and currently placed this on hold until I have my capitol replenished from buying 2 more S12's I am the only one in vegas so far with 4 s12s.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: rednucleus on 10:46:31 AM / 27-Nov-14
Maybe the only one in the US with 4?? (Except maybe Cutter)
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:30:45 PM / 28-Nov-14
Technically 5 unless you got rid of the one
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:19:24 AM / 29-Nov-14
no title == no count!

but yeah 5, but this time next year, will be 4 running and not sure if I will have it bared down and scrap it or save the shell.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: IggyEGuana on 10:24:35 PM / 05-Dec-14
certified s12 hoarder
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:24:39 PM / 05-Dec-14
Lol, I guess so. I would see as projects for next year.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:54:14 PM / 15-Dec-14
After my sev6 got broken into and my stereo equipment stolen glove box destroyed, this is still going to be my daily replacement but I am going to look into getting my windows redone in a bullet proof  replacement. Seems like Lexan as a transparent armor would be a good solution for both side windows and rear side windows. I am looking for reinforcement in replacement clips so they cannot be forced open and broke. 

Also planned I am going to look into a replacement for the key doors, i might just do poppers and have the keyholes as an idiot thing.  I really want to make this really hard for anyone to break in.   

But so far this is just planning right now. I have some ideas.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: rednucleus on 10:56:39 AM / 16-Dec-14
Best bet would be rig 100,000 volts to the body to instantly fry anyone that touches it. I'm still working on that project.  Otherwise they just beat the crap out of your car trying to get in.
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Cajun1guy on 02:33:07 PM / 16-Dec-14
I like that idea... :yes:
Title: Re: 1986 Hatch - Daily & Show - Blue Demon S12
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:21:32 PM / 16-Dec-14
I just want something quick and simple. Bullet proof replacement glass, to prevent someone from shattering the glass to gain entry.  I was thinking door poppers but if it is broadcasting a signal it can be hacked. I don't like car alarms as they can be annoying esecially if it goes off for other reasons. Perfect for home but not an unmonitored 10 floor garage where you won't hear the sounds accross or on a different floor. That or I just find another job.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:43:49 PM / 09-Feb-15
Pressure washed the KA block, getting it ready for paint. Going black engine enamel.  Found a perfect project name for this car, Project Serenity.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Basic on 10:22:57 PM / 10-Feb-15
Here's a theme song for you:

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:25:44 AM / 11-Feb-15
Thanks sir! Firefly ftw.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:42:48 AM / 13-Feb-15
Serenity is about to get a re-ring job on the ca20 for now since thanks to Waylon I have that whole kit already even a set of pistons, as I have decided to go full on rebuild and do it correctly from the start at the machine shop with all the parts with the KA24de, I want to ensure a perfect rebuild on this block.

I have started to disassemble the block working on pulling the head to start to see what is causing the oil leak in cylinder #4 also ordered new head bolts for 40 bucks, can't beat that price. 
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: IggyEGuana on 09:52:45 PM / 16-Feb-15
Out of curiosity where did you get bolts?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:09:20 PM / 16-Feb-15
Nissan Part Zone
 
11056-V5501   
BOLT CYL HEAD L   1   
3.90
    
3.90
 
11056-V5500   
BOLT - CYLINDER   9   
3.90
    
35.10
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:56:22 PM / 25-Feb-15
Pulled out the piston rings and they where completely caked / soaked with oil inside, When removed I was able to hone down Cylinders and now ready to start with the install of the new pistons I have with rings and so on. The crank looks clean and ready to go.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: WIGGLS on 05:02:06 PM / 25-Feb-15
Wonderingraven, this is slightly unrelated to your build but im just asking for a quick bit of advice. im in the process of rebuilding my ca18det and my bores are very nice but i just want to give it a quick finishing hone for the new rings to wear into. How did you check as to what size rings to order? as im not sure at all if mine are standard or not. Thanks and i like your build :)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:32:42 PM / 25-Feb-15
Well, that is the funny part. I went along with what I have with a full rebuild kit I picked up from Iggy before he moved to the east coast, which includes piston heads and a full set of rings and so on.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: WIGGLS on 04:42:35 AM / 26-Feb-15
Oh well thats good! keep updating us :)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:06:59 AM / 26-Feb-15
I ran into a snag as the FSM doesn't say how to disassemble the connecting rod with the piston. So I am now in a stump as one shows putting them on with a torch heat the connecting rod till the end turns blue to install. But how about a torch to remove the current pin?  There is no C rings holding it in.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:28:56 PM / 01-Mar-15
Finally I broke down and bought a HF 12 Ton shop press, and I was able to get the pistons in place with the new head and rings, I attempted a few methods to remove the wrist pins and all has failed no mater how much pressure you apply and the ones on youtube shows the force from a spring compressor that has a bolt 1/2 inch too big for the ca pistons wrist pins.  To put them back in I used a handy propane torch and did that method just fine and finished the ones that tend to cool off too soon in the press in which I would say is also extremely easy.

I had a slight problem getting the oil pan gasket on but I was ingenious enough to use tooth picks to hold them in place with gasket sealer as recomended in the book and removed each pick with a bolt and torque to spec and done.

Now off to the head.
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Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:07:19 AM / 03-Mar-15
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Well I got the timing, I did it with out the FSM. Since I know ca20 timing like the back of my hand since my first s12. Put back on the clutch and flywheel decided to keep the 6 puck on it.  Prepping the install, I was going to install tonight but I decided to pressure wash the inside before continuing. Since this rebuild kit I got from waylon this is a good practice for a first time rebuilding an engine.

KA will come in time, until then I am messing around with the ca20 and so far it seems good.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 10:22:12 AM / 03-Mar-15
Hooray for a little CA love!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:30:33 AM / 03-Mar-15
Hooray for a little CA love!

Yep, I find it with all the necessary parts and crap I have inherited, rebuilding a ca20 in my case is a good starting point. CA is a simple motor, a bit more simple then the KA.
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Turns out it is really difficult to put in the block with out a trans attached,  it could be done just I do not have a long enough hoist nor did I want to remove the front bumper to give myself a 5 inchs extra just so I can place it back on the trans and on the motor mounts.

Here is a few shots tonight. I pressure washed her before I attempted the motor install.
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Now how she sits till I pull the transmission.
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Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:51:53 AM / 06-Mar-15
And the motor is in...

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Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: S12_Lifer on 01:29:25 PM / 06-Mar-15
Gotta love those CA20's..........zip zip!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 03:54:53 PM / 06-Mar-15
Hooray for the Little Engine that Could
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:13:33 PM / 06-Mar-15
I still have yet to fire her up. New head gasket, pistons in which I believe I have done right FSM shows very little to no information on the wrist pin installation timing shows dead on since I have acquired Jason stuff I kinda lost a lot of stuff I had a side when I took her apart completely. So hopefully tonight I'll be dumping oil and firing her up
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:23:06 PM / 09-Mar-15
(https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10984487_942120285828124_7261830446331347297_n.jpg?oh=f969355699160ffccf846f60c9d0a7b8&oe=558B91EF)

Finished with all the vaccum leads, water locations for the heater, and the harness.  At first it didn't want to start but I forgot about the dizzy location needs to be set in the correct location as I forgot the inner and outer locations. Once done it fired right up, sounded like a completely healthy ca20 for maybe 1 minute then it died, when I restart the car it will ignite and die less then 10  seconds after firing.

Checked compression I am getting between 125 - 130 on each cyl according to the book 129 is the spot, and on the good side no oil  on any of the plugs. THere is a strange oil leak in the back of the head tho, I am not sure where it is coming from but it looks like it is seeping out a small block off plate in the back. Tested the fuel pressure and it is at 37psi, so I am assuming at this point the fuel is bad and due to being 6 month old gas? last time I put gas in that was Aug and has been siting since September / October since I have stopped troubleshooting due to the piston rings being bad and if I recall it also has seafoam in the tank as well, so it looks like I will be removing the current gas and dumping 91 inside to get things moving again.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: IggyEGuana on 06:49:34 PM / 09-Mar-15
force it to run on starting fluid and see if it'll stay running.

You bring up a good point about the seafoam. idk if its ok for it to be in the tank for a long time. you might wanna pull the pump just to check out the condition of the hoseand see if maybe the seafoam did anything to the plastic.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 07:28:01 PM / 09-Mar-15
and the fuel filter too
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:43:40 PM / 09-Mar-15
Checked the pump looks alright, I also just remember I did something to the dizzy before if I recall it had a bad wire I will need to retrace in a few.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:04:25 PM / 10-Mar-15
Back to troubleshooting, so far it seems to be a timing issue.
As shown in this video this is how she is acting.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4LxRe50l-M
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So I might have the compression back words on the stroke, will change the dizzy 180 from where it is currently located as a test results later.

From some research I might have the markings back words when I aligned the cam shaft to the crank (FSM you have failed me again) instead of it firing on the 1st it is trying to fire on the 4th.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Modulus Two on 01:46:50 PM / 11-Mar-15
Yeah dude, sounds nice and shitty like my CA20 did.
Actually, sounds a lot more shitty.

Let me know if you need a "new" ca or parts. Mine is almost out.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:21:17 PM / 11-Mar-15
It should be alright,  just something went wrong and if I had more time to troubleshoot I am sure to find it.
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Going 180 did nothing, so I am back to square one, I am going to redo the timing belt over again and get the markings aligned right just in case they are not aligned.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: IggyEGuana on 09:30:46 AM / 12-Mar-15
from memory theres three marks on the cam gear. its like 2 arrows and a dot or something idk. one mark should be at 12 oclock, another at 6 oclock, and the third should point downward and to the left at maybe 7:30 or something close to that.
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my fsm is in storage otherwise i would check sorry
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:12:06 AM / 12-Mar-15
no worries, my cam gear has 2 marks 1 arrow and 1 big red dot.  When I put the timing belt on the dot is on 12 and arrow was at 6, on the 0 degree mark on the crank as the FSM described to be when aligning the head back and install the timing belt. in which is why I don't understand why the timing is wrong.
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Well turns out it would help if I tighten down the bolts to the cam shaft, also it was a good thing tho as I could have damaged the head gasket because I miss placed the washers for the head bolts, easy fix when it was completed it was now fully running on all 4 cyl with no issues.

First fire up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWwJc85dwDk

Second fire up and idle normal a bit high but normal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjQ8j1AM7n4&list=UUe86heqhmGptBFRrIc2TMlg

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:34:47 PM / 14-Mar-15
Test drove here, and all it needs now is to be tuned right and valve cover gasket replaced.  The brakes tend to lock up fast, and the clutch is very weird but I see why it is now because it has an xtd 6 puck.  I also noticed that stock s12 has a bigger turning radius (o_O) but nothing I can't manage.  I didn't see any big piles of smoke only from the valve cover was oil dripping everywhere.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 02:19:27 PM / 14-Mar-15
Keep up that CA love, glad to see your progress!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:22:17 PM / 14-Mar-15
I should be working on that but I got sidetracked to a nistune problem on the cadet motor.... and learning the software, the guides they posted are outdated.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:38:58 PM / 18-Mar-15
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11025195_946854705354682_4908135287894721900_n.jpg?oh=f10f60ec5dedc686023caf3e72684811&oe=5571EB53&__gda__=1434577977_554884f1525ea8e67ddad249eca534b5)

Hood is back on and she fires right up everytime I turn the key. So she is almost ready to be a daily driver.
I need to swap out the windshield still, and get the canucks installed.

In the mean time I snagged up an local crankshaft deal for the future KA swap.
I just need to figure out the calculations again to determined the correct bearing numbers.
(https://scontent-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11064835_945333832173436_3052912318215345937_n.jpg?oh=ecb9feac0fea5d9adcbaf34135ac8ee6&oe=55827B77)
all shiny and ready to rock.  It was pulled from a clean motor just was stripped down to rebuild into a turbo KA with new pistons that just never finished and they did some hell of a deal on the sale.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:44:33 AM / 29-Mar-15
She is now ready to start testing on the streets as today I went to dmv and picked up some Classic Vehicle plates.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:38:30 AM / 29-Mar-15
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:03:43 AM / 05-Apr-15
Took her for a spin since my fairlady silvia has been put down for being rabid!  Took her to get some gas and drove just fine, there is a weird grind.
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Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:20:06 PM / 14-Apr-15
Well not too bad for the first week, but looks like I didn't tighten the oil pan bolts right as it caused a massive oil rain near the front of the engine. For now till I can get some time to temp lift the block to redo the oil pan gasket I have used gasket sealant stuffed inside as much as I can and re-tighten in a sequence that seems to not be in the book that seems to help tremendously. I still have to pull the rear canucks and none blown shocks from the red parts car still and get an alignment.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:21:42 PM / 16-Apr-15
Well my luck, the issue for the oil wasn't the oil pan but I blew a front main seal, fun stuff.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: my12 on 03:07:34 PM / 16-Apr-15
Holy crap, would like to see some pictures on how you do that. Since most of the mechanics around me don't want to touch my car so i have to learn of it as much as possible.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:46:22 PM / 16-Apr-15
Yeah technically no one will touch it unless they are familiar with it. Even then I would be worried who touches my s12's
But sure, I will take more pictures, I wanted todo some gopro video's on my garage projects.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: IggyEGuana on 11:02:30 PM / 16-Apr-15
^That would be awesome
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:23:53 AM / 17-Apr-15
Yeah, I also have a tripod for the youtube channel crap, lol.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Cajun1guy on 10:02:11 PM / 19-Apr-15
Dude, great stuff! I'm glad to see someone show tons of patience with our rare cars and make a DD out of one at that! I have two DD now and I am loving the looks I'm getting by some that remember the car fondly. Keep up the good work and keep us posted.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:20:28 PM / 19-Apr-15
Here is some HQ  pics might be a bit slow depending on your connection. To change the front main seal I had to strip it down to the timing belt again.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2010.42.43.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2010.42.48.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2010.42.57.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2012.22.20.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2012.25.05.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2012.25.10.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2012.27.59.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-04-18%2013.36.49.jpg)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:23:27 AM / 22-Apr-15
Nice work! I probably would of just tossed the ca at that point glad I sold her to.someone that gives a damn.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:41:27 AM / 22-Apr-15
Yeah, other then the loud ticking noises, she runs good for now.

CA20 is rather a simple engine and delicate. But after the pull apart and rebuild, it gave me great confidence now and a better understanding of the ca18det motor.

Another idea I had going on for the red car was to make it a ca20e+t  when I finish the ka24de rebuild and place in Serenity.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:54:40 PM / 12-May-15
Well lesson learned here, don't trust the Gas gauge as it can be a lie. I guess when there is less then a gallon left in the tank, it is a very hard process to review her to get her to a gas station. When I parked I thought I had 1/2 tank left, not sure for how long I had 1/2 tank, but I knew I should of gassed up sunday night as I said I was going to.

I had to call out of work when I attempted to leave Monday morning 05/11/2015 it wouldn't crank, it would attempt to crank 1 time then stop. I thought it was the battery so I swapped battery and turns out same thing, charged the battery for 20 minutes and same thing. Then it started to crank but no spark, then a crapload of fuel leaked out of the exhaust manifold. Cleaned it up put on the fuel pressure gauge and the guage at first was showing 15 - 20, then after 1 crank it jumped to 30psi attempted to keep on cranking to attempt to "awake" the system it wouldn't work. Disconnected the FPR vacuum line and then it cranked over and all was back to normal I went straight to the gas station and filled it up a full 12.5 gallons of gas. I believe I will need to investigate the float or adjust the gauge.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: 8SixS12 on 12:47:07 PM / 13-May-15
Reminds me of my turbo when it was running. Keep it up bro. That's gonna be a sweet daily. 
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Well lesson learned here, don't trust the Gas gauge as it can be a lie. I guess when there is less then a gallon left in the tank, it is a very hard process to review her to get her to a gas station. When I parked I thought I had 1/2 tank left, not sure for how long I had 1/2 tank, but I knew I should of gassed up sunday night as I said I was going to.

I had to call out of work when I attempted to leave Monday morning 05/11/2015 it wouldn't crank, it would attempt to crank 1 time then stop. I thought it was the battery so I swapped battery and turns out same thing, charged the battery for 20 minutes and same thing. Then it started to crank but no spark, then a crapload of fuel leaked out of the exhaust manifold. Cleaned it up put on the fuel pressure gauge and the guage at first was showing 15 - 20, then after 1 crank it jumped to 30psi attempted to keep on cranking to attempt to "awake" the system it wouldn't work. Disconnected the FPR vacuum line and then it cranked over and all was back to normal I went straight to the gas station and filled it up a full 12.5 gallons of gas. I believe I will need to investigate the float or adjust the gauge.


What's the deal with our fuel gauges anyway? I mean when I had mine out I cleaned the variable resistor contacts and it was still iffy. One day it read full and others a  half tank. I think the next time i have it out I'm gonna make sure it has a proper ground. Heck, maybe two! To make matters worse you couldn't  find a new sender if your life depended on it.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:47:47 PM / 13-May-15
Not sure actually, normally it is the float sticking and the design of the fuel tank. Maybe the float is in the wrong spot perhaps ?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:51:31 AM / 15-May-15
Turns out I just hada  parasitic drain that caused my battery issues as the ground wire broke.  So low fuel wasn't my problem after all.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: 8SixS12 on 02:58:25 PM / 17-May-15
Glad to hear it. So what's next?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:58:50 PM / 17-May-15
Looks like it is the starter after all... so pulling starter.

Next I will be ordering some new shocks for the rear and installing the rear canucks I have.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:05:10 PM / 10-Jun-15
Wasn't the starter, tested with 3 starters that night but today the ghost has returned and traced it back to the ground wire to engine that connects straight to the battery terminal turns out the nut was loose.

So when you pull the motor from the car be sure to mind where you put the ground cable, as I used the nut that connects to the alt and not direct to the block.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:21:41 PM / 02-Sep-15
Something I noticed when you hit the tester light on;

Dizzy 4 plug below.
 --- (Clip)
(1, 2)
(3, 4)

If you touch the tester light on #2 the fuel pump kicks on and off.  But anyways I found this out as I was testing everything because I was getting no spark out of no where.  Where I made it home Monday night, that is when the fuel pump made a weird noise and wouldn't shut off after the key was out.  Seem that the main power source was one of the problems before but after hours of troubleshooting I found that my dizzy was not working anymore it got power just not delivering spark. Decided to check part  numbers with the ca18et's I have around and turns out they are the same part #. Swapped int he ca18et I had from one of the blocks and it started right up.

Past couple of weeks it has been idling different and been a bit powerless and sketchy lately and now I see why..

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:35:44 AM / 22-Sep-15
Well so far so good with the distributor.

My rear brakes decided it needed to be changed.
So I went a head and do this upgrade as well, canucks and kyb gr2
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-21%2021.46.03.jpg)

Little lower then it was before but as I wanted to keep her near stock as possible.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-22%2007.17.21.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-22%2007.17.58.jpg)
And after the drive to work.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-22%2007.46.39.jpg)

Drive was extremely nice, I Still have a small wheel wobble in the front but no more Cadillac squatting in the rear especially when I take off from a stop.  She is starting to have  a nice drive feel.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:12:19 PM / 22-Sep-15
Nice!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:51:13 PM / 28-Sep-15
This last week after the brake issues int he rear, I also ran into a snafu as my passenger side efan decided to blow up technically. Bearings was bad so I disabled it and drove around the past few days on 1 efan it was also a little bit broken as well, so I figured I would stop and get another efan setup.

Saturday: I attended the Street Driven Tour, sadly I did not drive since my sev6 project is down due to an oil pump issue.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-26%2013.42.46-2.jpg)

Today being Monday for me, I picked up 2 sets of eFan.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-28%2012.22.45.jpg)
the smaller efan setup is going on the sev6 being low profile and all would be a great ideal for it.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-28%2014.24.24.jpg)
Yep I lost the fan blade that was on the one with the bearing so bad it was shaking up the car violently to a point I had to fully unclip it.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-09-28%2017.11.07.jpg)
I attempted to just switch out the fan motors but the mounting points for the motors are different between stanza and sentra, just an FYI they are the same size in diameter both the shroud and the motors.  So I soldiered on the old connections to the new fans to match the same ones Waylon setup in the past so I can keep the connectors as they where also the same color.

I let her run for a bit and it ran smooth and quiet even after a shut down.

Pizza man: "Are you a mechanic?"
Me: No, I am just an I.T. Guy who is not afraid to get my hands dirty.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 05:09:25 PM / 29-Sep-15
lol
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:37:20 PM / 12-Oct-15
3rd time this happened so it is now KA time and this will be the fastest KA swap ever... soon as I lock in a replacement block it's going in.

Pissed fuel everywhere out of the intake and it is getting annoying.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-10-12%2008.32.13.jpg)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:22:06 PM / 12-Oct-15
KA time!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:28:39 PM / 12-Oct-15
What really sucks is now I am home I can't for the life of me replicate the issue...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:31:43 PM / 12-Oct-15
Yup that's the way it always works. Were you able to drive it home at least
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:13:22 PM / 12-Oct-15
Yep, I never had this problem with my sev6... I didn't trust the car enough to stop on the way and pick up the carb from Oriely's as I wanted to.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: SchizophrenicMC on 09:20:49 PM / 12-Oct-15
KA time!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 09:30:06 PM / 12-Oct-15
Yeah I wouldn't have either ...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:42:20 PM / 12-Oct-15
KA time!

In the process of finding a KADE right now, all the public shit places. I am about to low ball a few that has blown head gaskets but says no rod knocks.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:51:42 AM / 15-Oct-15
This is why I hate locating a KA, all KA's i got in response are "blown" head gaskets and rod knocks pulled and left sitting for a long time and drift taxed to all hell just for 1 block, so far the lowest someone will go just for the block and accessories such as head intake was 700..
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: SchizophrenicMC on 11:40:17 AM / 15-Oct-15
KAs have jumped up in price recently. If I see another KA sell for $700+ I'm buying some CADETs.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:48:12 AM / 15-Oct-15
I am not paying for a junked KA at 700, I'd buy another CADET.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:24:50 PM / 15-Oct-15
Why not rebuild the Ka you got from me?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:06:36 PM / 15-Oct-15
I still am still will take time, in the mean time If I could score a block between now and by next week to make the swap happen asap. But looks like I will most likely have to continue with the rebuild.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:10:29 PM / 15-Oct-15
Ahh Gotcha!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:27:34 AM / 26-Oct-15
I think the fuel pump is on it's malfunctioning last leg, I am thinking of ordering the 190lph walbro in its place and will be useful for the ka24de upgrade. I believe the 190 should be enough for the ca20 and not to be overwhelming?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: SchizophrenicMC on 11:06:22 AM / 26-Oct-15
I doubt you'll overrun your FPR on 190lph.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:15:07 AM / 26-Oct-15
Yeah that is what I have been researching.
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Soon as I got home my fuel pump gave up and started to do it's low power short to the fuel pump again, so I decided from here I need to do something because this is happening too often now. 

Pulled out the SEv6 fuel pump crossed the numbers and weird thing is the part #'s match to the T. Just was curious about it as I thought the sev6 had a higher flow or this wasn't the original pump.

I ordered an walbro 190 this morning and 1 day shipping as I had nothing but weird fuel problems this weekend. I am pretty sure this is my issue from the start as this fuel pump was revived from being frozen in the junk yard and had low psi at first initial start.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:06:45 PM / 02-Nov-15
So you finally found the problem? this should kill that problem?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:28:13 PM / 02-Nov-15
Have yet to install the walbro, since the sev6 is serving me well. I am holding on to it for now, if at most I might install that int he Red Hatch when I get most of the parts swapped over from the parts car in the next couple of weeks after I clean out my garage and get my brothers  swazi rims on it just to move it in the garage.

But yeah, so far so good, I have been racing it around causing alot of heavy load on the system including dropping hard bass with my sub and all seems to be good right now.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:27:25 PM / 04-Nov-15
Nice!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:27:40 AM / 22-Nov-15
So much for the ca20e rocking it hardcore... it blew up today, replacing it temp with a ca18et motor minus the turbo to rock it as a ca20e.

When I am done with this I will focus on the rebuild of the ka24de.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:30:21 PM / 22-Nov-15
Well, That's shitty... I still feel like any ca20e that has been taken apart after it has been put back together it decides to shit itself...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:51:07 PM / 22-Nov-15
I think it has more to do with the 4th cyl as it was repaired twice already with the exhaust stud.

It lasted all year tho, I am glade it happened near my moms house and not at work, lol.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:52:34 PM / 22-Nov-15
lol yeah that's good
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:14:42 PM / 23-Nov-15
Well I have a lead for a solid bottom end KA24de.

I have a few things I can do at this point,

#1 I can replace the head with another. Unsure on the damage yet just know all my coolant and oil is dumping into the exhaust and I lost 2 cyl

#2 I can drop a complete tired ca18e minus t and run it as a ca20e

#3 Focus on the ka24de rebuild with the solid bottom.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:50:02 AM / 25-Nov-15
I'd focus on the ka but that's just me... Makes the most sense to me...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:37:34 PM / 25-Nov-15
I guess right now it all depends on my sev6 right now, if it can finally stop acting like an overheating lil bitch... I will focus on the ka swap, if not I might need to focus on getting it back up and running for now as something went wrong with the rebuild process on the vg30e

Ultimate goal is to go fully KA24de swap with working A/C as a full on restomod s12.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 12:33:45 PM / 26-Nov-15
well you could easily swap heads from the 18et but honestly your going to end up going KA you might as well get started and just do it...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:50:30 PM / 30-Nov-15
Attempted to throw on a ca18et head and turns out I cannot for the life of me to get anything higher then 100psi on compression with all 4 cyl.  So yeah I think as of now I might just start prepping the ka swap.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: kelso840 on 06:58:51 AM / 01-Dec-15
Hey, that's exactly what mine was doing. 100 psi across the board.

Exhaust valve on cyl 3 was stuck completely closed.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:22:08 AM / 01-Dec-15
Is there a way to tell with the head being on still?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: kelso840 on 08:37:23 AM / 01-Dec-15
I didn't actually make this discovery, but I imagine popping the valve cover off would get you there.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:18:41 PM / 01-Dec-15
well if it is being consistent, there is a possibility when I installed the head I am on the down stroke of the #1 piston thinking it was TDC.. I am going to verify that later when I am letting my sev6 warm up.

But if that is the case it would explain why all 4 cyl is pulling 90 dry and 100-105 psi wet, when I had the vavle cover off all 8 springs when u p and down and when I had the head off I rotated the cam gear to verify if all valves opened and closed. I didn't verify if they are leaking in any way with some brake kleen so I got a few things to verify I need to get an air compressor to perform a leak down test.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:53:46 PM / 05-Dec-15
From an actual test of the stroke, looks like I somehow placed TDC on the wrong stroke... I guess I need to double check TDC when I remove the head on the first time around.

Doesn't matter I guess, just still will not get over 90 psi dry and 115 wet this round... pulling the head tonight.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:54:06 PM / 08-Dec-15
Went a head and order some fresh head bolts for the mean time as I am car-less right now. Seems this issue is head bolts related, low pressure due to the bolts not grabbing.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:58:09 PM / 10-Dec-15
Well, I just got a ka24e long block with ecu and wiring harness,  supposed to be a good engine that turns freely. I will most likely have to do a leak down test but if it turns out good.  I guess it will be the swap for now.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Shanes1233 on 01:35:50 PM / 12-Dec-15
Well, I just got a ka24e long block with ecu and wiring harness,  supposed to be a good engine that turns freely. I will most likely have to do a leak down test but if it turns out good.  I guess it will be the swap for now.

For free? If so, score! Hopefully it checks out good.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:49:51 PM / 12-Dec-15
Yeah hopefully,
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:33:28 PM / 18-Dec-15
and after 2 weeks, head bolts are in. seems to be the NORM 2 weeks for the head bolts, I guess they have to get them from different warehouses.
This is where I need a minion.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:08:53 AM / 21-Dec-15
new head bolts are in but after installing turns out I am still getting 90psi on all 4 cyl and that is not enough to fire. At this point I am at a standstill on this ca20, so I went back and look at the evidence I took after I pulled the head gasket and noticed nice chunks along the cyl walls are damaged.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: iceageg on 06:46:26 AM / 21-Dec-15
KA time!!!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:24:41 PM / 22-Dec-15
KA ALL DAY!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:09:38 PM / 22-Dec-15
Yep, dude that has the sohc ka, is being hella lame right now, keeps offering to say come get it gives me an ridicules 5 minute time window to get across town to get it.  the dohc, I got my part # list to order.  All the bearings will cost me 150, another 75 for the gaskets then start putting it together.

Mean time I have been thinking of tossing bartco motor in as a non turbo. I am just extremely burned out right now to do so.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:17:48 PM / 24-Dec-15
Pulling the CA20 out this weekend and deciding if I am going to temp to use the bartco block.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:43:28 AM / 27-Dec-15
Nice! Just s you know theres nothing bartco about that motor I just called i that because I was running the bartco accessories on it...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:46:29 AM / 27-Dec-15
Yeah, but it has a nice ring to it.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 02:52:31 PM / 28-Dec-15
lol
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:54:49 AM / 12-Jan-16
Well, installed the bartco motor and I am having no success either on the install.

Some odd reason I cannot get it to fire, compression turns out good, I am getting on wet 190psi consistently on all 4 cyl. Alot better then the wet 110 I was getting with the ca20e.

I am getting spark, also getting fuel pressure, all seems perfect. I have replaced the dizzy with my red 86 turbo hatch and still no go.
Plugs are clean and good, but I am getting alot of fuel going in due to the non-fire....

It almost seems like I am not putting the dizzy in the correct position...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: iceageg on 12:24:43 PM / 12-Jan-16
Did you maybe get yourself 180° off of top dead center?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:41:58 PM / 12-Jan-16
nope, I tried that as well.

As far as I recall the inner points to E1, on compression stroke, But might be wrong due the FSM shows different and lack of guidance. 
So I need to verify the marks, after that I am going to have to pull out the multimeter and start searching and checking the ecu.

I am also giving myself this week to get it fired up if I cannot fire this one up there is something wrong and I need to find a reliable source of transportation that I can resell later on with out loosing $$ doing so, when I get this car operational with either an CA18det or KA24DE....
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: iceageg on 01:18:13 PM / 12-Jan-16
Make sure your distributor ground wire is snug.  I forgot it on the pathfinder the other day and it wouldn't start.  Everything sounded right except it wouldn't fire.  Pucker factor was very high until I found my derp.  One facepalm later I was back in business.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:48:06 PM / 12-Jan-16
Yeah that is secure, when I move the dizzy it will almost fire and start....
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: iceageg on 02:11:25 PM / 12-Jan-16
Have you killed the gremlin yet?  The green goo left behind can be sort of messy but smashing them to pulp helps a great many problems.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:29:36 PM / 12-Jan-16
When I find the gremlin, I will smash it with my mighty hammer.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:30:39 PM / 14-Jan-16
I have decided to re-pull the motor and focus on wiring up the KA24DE transplant the bellhousing from one of the ka trans I have acquired slowly start buying the parts to restore the ka rebuild.
This will be a bit due to the cash limitations since I have bought a daily now.

Not sure fully what is wrong, but it is time to pull it out and slowly build a better setup.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:33:53 PM / 03-Feb-16
Finally!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:28:07 AM / 27-Mar-16
Well reviving this old thread as the Bartco motor I have was able to start up after swapping out the distributor with an 88 ca20e i found at the junkyard.


Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:47:46 PM / 27-Mar-16
Sweet!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:52:33 PM / 01-Apr-16
timing belt is back on and slowing putting it back together will restab the dizzy and hopefully get it started.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:08:47 PM / 05-Apr-16
So, I have done this so far.
It fires up, it sounds like it is running.
https://youtu.be/cpR3TokPBTk

Has a loopy cam feel, but more like a limp mode at the moment, with the maf connected or disconnected it actually makes no different so I suspect the maf is dead.
But progress has been made and moving forward.

If I can score a T25 I might rewire it for a ca18et all at stock though, this bartco motor seems to be in running condition.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: kelso840 on 06:43:13 AM / 06-Apr-16
Man, you do work. That lopey shake almost looks like what I had when one injector wasn't firing. Hope it's the MAF, but food for thought.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: iceageg on 07:09:13 AM / 06-Apr-16
+1 for dead injector causing lopey shake.  Just got done dealing with that myself.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:34:29 AM / 06-Apr-16
Yeah, there is alot to work on now, just mean time I am just happy I got this far.
Little time I did troubleshoot it some, the maf isn't working or getting power to it, so I have something to work from. The injectors are all firing as they should as tested with a stethoscope I can hear the injectors firing in sequence as mentioned how to check via FSM, the pattern should be good as they where working fine before the ca20e blew.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:36:45 PM / 25-Apr-16
I am done playing with the ca18e, and moving towards puitting the ca18det into this project now due to the amount of work I am pouring into the cadet just to get it working. Pistons in cyl 2, 3, and 4 was installed backwords thus crushing the oil squirters so I had to rip apart the whole block just to replace the squirters and switch the pistons around.
Post Merge
Image time

This is how she sits right now, much plans and goals for her now.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2023.55.17.jpg)

She is getting this transplanted in, why? because I will explain more below.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2019.32.29.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2019.32.17.jpg)

Well, due to the leak of oil from the rear of the oil pan I decided to re-gasket seal the whole oil pan. When I removed the oil pan I found 3 odd objects.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2011.26.39.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2011.27.54.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2011.59.07.jpg)

With the help of the cadet pro's I was able to identify that these are indeed oil jets from the block, I was on my back to look up and found cyl 2 - 4 with broken oil jets. cyl 1 was A ok!

Cyl 2 -
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2019.08.11.jpg)

Cyl 1 -
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2019.08.23.jpg)

Cyl 4 - notice the crank shaft has 0 clearance with the piston skirt
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2019.17.44.jpg)

Now for the kicker....Keep an eye on the bottom of the rod's
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2019.26.04.jpg)

Yep, cyl 2 - 4 was installed 180 off.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-26%2003.35.55.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-26%2003.36.12.jpg)

So much for the KA24de rebuild, so I robbed the oil jets from the ka as I heard they will work on the ca18det with minor modification.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-26%2001.36.22.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-25%2020.51.21.jpg)


So I ripped apart the block, cleaned it up learned that it has a 4 layer MLS head gasket, adjustable cam gears so much win in this block. But the timing belt looks like it was about to fall off.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2020.36.44.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2020.37.16.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2020.37.31.jpg)

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-24%2023.31.54.jpg)

The turbo though, looks like before I can use this it will need to be rebuilt / re-seals on the exhaust side.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/cadet/2016-04-25%2004.13.07.jpg)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:13:32 PM / 30-Apr-16
You didn't remember that I told you it had an MLS and adj cam gears lol it also has poncams....
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:19:29 PM / 30-Apr-16
I forgot hah!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:41:08 PM / 01-May-16
lol
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:30:50 AM / 02-May-16
no worries, it's pushing 2 years of ownership. This last year I have been preoccupied with the ca20 - vg30 projects.

all issues aside, I have the majority of the block back together, I found and ordered the missing pieces.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:07:42 PM / 02-May-16
Nice!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:40:34 PM / 03-May-16
as of recently I want to restore the feature of a/c compressor and power steering with this, with the restore of the a/c I will be looking into converting to the R134 hopefully it is possible.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: 8SixS12 on 09:55:57 PM / 03-May-16
I did the 134a retrofit in my car when I had the CA18ET. All you need to do is replace all the O rings in the system and get a new receiver dryer and your golden. Although you might need new lines made up. Old systems love 134a. Mine blew a cold 45 degrees!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:53:26 PM / 03-May-16
Nice, since I have most of the system already pulled already and stored away with a thought of doing so later on this would be  agreat time to get the 0 rings replaced and fitted up with a retrokit I seen.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:18:11 AM / 27-May-16
this project kinda got stuck.. at the moment... I still need to pull the ca18e out and prep the install.

But I do know why this was stumbling the fuel filter was extremely dirty and fuel was not what it seems as if someone dumped black stuff in my gas tank? as the color was extremely dark and very watery not like how fuel is / feels and smell is not as strong as normal gas. I guess I got a patch of bad gas.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:27:16 AM / 01-Jun-16
Well, before pulling the ca18e I decided to give it another run about and I had Waylon assist me as he wanted to and turns out one of the injectors is technically blown and proven so in the run down diagnostics.

So with the new fuel filter replaced, injector cleaner stuff in the tank to help with the fuel and now replacing the final injector all I have to do from there is clean up the engine bay and button her up and move forward.  Might make a quick dash to Cars and Coffee this weekend since I heard there will be a special guest with the FuguZ, irony of it all 2 turbo motors running no turbos.

There is some block inconsistency with the cadet replacement that is holding me back before the install. The main concerns is the freeze plugs and possible rust damage inside the block that might have oblong the freeze plug holes on the block, there is a few deleted things that shouldn't fully be deleted.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:57:12 PM / 01-Jun-16
Whats wrong with the det?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:07:34 PM / 01-Jun-16
freeze plugs might need to be bored out and even the stock ones 3 out of the 4 on the left side of the block (Driver side) will leak. 
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:09:50 PM / 01-Jun-16
Really?! I wonder how that happened I never had a coolant leak...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:25:11 PM / 01-Jun-16
Not sure, when I tipped it on the side it would leak and there is rust showing leaking below the plugs.

It's cool though, easy fixable.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:12:06 AM / 15-Jun-16
I have been planning the course of attack on this, I am done making the CA18e and planning how I am going to do the wiring, IC / Radiator setup and move forward.

I might make the effort this weekend to start dropping the fluids and prepping the removal, depends how far I get with my sev6 project.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:20:04 PM / 18-Jun-16
Wait I'm lost, so your moving forward with the det in the blue car?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:12:17 AM / 26-Jun-16
Dropped the fluids in the ca18e, unplugged the harness, while that is draining I have been cleaning up the garage and putting the ca18det back together getting ready to drop in after I clean up the engine bay.

the cadet is getting closer to drop in.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:11:39 AM / 27-Jun-16
Nice!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:33:33 PM / 28-Jun-16
Little before and after, with my garage cleaning and stuffing the cadet inside this blue car.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-25%2014.41.02.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-25%2014.45.10.jpg)

Cleaning up the garage means I need to put the cadet back together and stuff it inside the s12.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-25%2018.11.30.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-25%2019.58.25.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-25%2019.59.11.jpg)

That is the update from last weekend garage cleaning. I like to plan and prep before I do anything drastic right away, but my goal is to pull the ca18e out by this weekend and at least put the cadet inside.

Another thing I am processing if I want to sell the nistune as a whole and go MS or just mimic the setup from the black car. Just needs to be alot cleaner, which reminds me I need to buy tags / label maker to start labeling wires.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:14:24 PM / 29-Jun-16
If you get rid of the nistune let me know I would love to take it off your hands I'm going to need to be able to tune mine when I get the harness from wiring specialties
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 10:10:09 PM / 30-Jun-16
Well, Waylon kinda got me a little inspired to get this running as is. So as for now I decided to wait till I can get things solid with the ca18det and go MS when I know the system is back at 100% on a working platform that I know worked before.  Plus I need to rebound my finances right now, and stop impulse buying car parts. and I also learned my lesson with the sev6 with the carb swap before getting the system at 100% first.

So I learned today is that the ca18e is running the ca20e timing belt, I forgot which one was bigger and smaller so I had to hit someone up who also knows their ca's and ca18e is smaller and I had that ca18et belt placed aside from another block so I was able to verify after all the size.  So my timing issue was dead on with this, and lucky that my valves are not bent, as it is now 8pm and I got to work at 5am I will continue tomorrow after work to get it back together and fire it up.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 10:33:46 PM / 30-Jun-16
nice work!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 03:44:50 PM / 01-Jul-16
Here are some images of my work yesterday.

(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.16.05.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.16.14.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.18.33.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.18.51.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.19.02.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.27.07.jpg)

Left is the belt removed from the ca18e and the right is a timing belt for a ca18et.
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2018.44.25.jpg)

Installed
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2019.25.57.jpg)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2019.34.44.jpg)

Notice the difference between the tbelt covers one is for the CA20(Right) and the other is CA18(Left)
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2016/2016-06-30%2019.44.01.jpg)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 03:00:51 AM / 02-Jul-16
ones cleaner?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:53:54 AM / 02-Jul-16
One is longer
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:40:38 PM / 02-Jul-16
oh ok
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 02:23:38 PM / 02-Jul-16
learned something new - thought belts/covers would be the same
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:59:30 PM / 02-Jul-16
Yeah, I learned recently the blocks between the ca18 and ca20 are different as per longer.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 05:25:26 PM / 02-Jul-16
yet you can swap heads??
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:33:34 PM / 02-Jul-16
Heads are the same, blocks are different.

IE: https://youtu.be/6uAmMfsfeAA
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:36:05 PM / 06-Jul-16
So I got it running,

Here is the issue that is still getting troubleshot down the road.
When my car would have an issue and it would not turn off the fuel injectors it would somehow flood the engine with fuel and I would get a call stating there is alot of fuel under my car.

IE:
(http://www.g-funk.net/200sx/serenity/2015-10-12%2008.32.13.jpg)

So I have to remember that it takes for ever to get the initial startup.
Timing was dead on Monday, checked over and over.

So then this happened today, since I have time.
https://youtu.be/Zkq9iSeSpzQ

Timing isn't jumping around like it was before, and it kinda has the ca20e run to it with slight miss fire I just have to time it with the light now and fix the timing belt cover.
I found a vacuum leak because I forgot to fix one of my vacuum leads, but it is here after 30 minutes of cranking of the initial start up, it now works. and if I turn it off and on it works like it should now till I do another problem with the ignition.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 04:13:30 PM / 08-Jul-16
as for the on going problem I had for the longest time. I opened up the plastic cover where my steering colum goes and with the slightest tough the ignition switch fell apart. I had to pull one from one of the other s12's but doing so it seems to have resolved my ignition switch issue.

With that being said, she fires up with no issues I can now troubleshoot the problem with #3 cyl injector is not working, there is no pulse while the wiring is solid I need to verify to make sure it is working.  Possible bad injector will have to label this one after testing. 

I know I have a few bad injectors around this might be one of them.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:28:19 PM / 30-Sep-16
Well, looks like I had to revisited this project due to a friend of mine who is coming back to vegas in needs a helping hand with a few things  so I will need a back up daily again. 

So I decided today to start going around the block to see if there was anything I left out and turns out there is oil seeping from the head and it's a bit thick leak but not enough to make it to the ground.

Headbolts are torqued to spec so I assume at this point that they are used bolts at one time? or possible the head is warped?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 01:44:18 PM / 25-Oct-16
Shitty...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:38:32 PM / 25-Oct-16
Still a mystery, I am kinda burned out troubleshooting the motor at the moment.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:21:21 PM / 25-Oct-16
Yeah I bet...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:34:56 PM / 29-Nov-16
A14 12point Nissan 202-4203 ARP head studs ordered.
New headgasket and plugs + wires coming since the NGK decided to break apart.

As I had a headgasket breach and noticed on the intake side where the head meets the block was seeping oil out a few points and same issue at one point on the exhaust side.
for the life of me I can't seem to get a ca sohc motor running from all the blocks donated to me so I am in the middle of troubleshooting the point of failure and I think this might be head bolt relation.

WHen I pulled the ca20e I used the head bolts there I thought about attempting to reuse it but it might end up where the ca20 is located now a door stop with a cracked cyl walls.

Going to rewire the fuel pump this time around to also eliminate my fuel sending unit glitching out.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:44:39 AM / 05-Dec-16
A14 Studs worked perfectly,

I am now just waiting for my headgasket that should have been here 12/2 Might not see it until 12/7

I still need to rewire the fuel pump.


Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:10:09 PM / 09-Dec-16
Spent some time running the wires,
(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-12-07-19.02.31.jpg)

I also discovered an issue at the pully itself, it is not aligned right.
(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-12-08-17.12.08.jpg)

Finishing touches before I install the radiator and fluids.
(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-12-08-20.10.49.jpg)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:48:42 PM / 14-Dec-16
This time, I am complete under the hood, now the fuel pump re-wire. Since this is an 1986, it is classified as the Mk1.5, IE: it has the mk1 look but the wiring harness changes that is commonly found in the mk2 version of the s12's, this mean the ECU has fully control over the fuel pump and to re-wire it requires 30amp relay and 15 amp fuse. I also had to tap into the Rear wiper blade on the fuse block, I don't have any future plans on using that blade since I have louvers that block it.

Motor is done, ready to fire up at this point
(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-12-11-18.35.17.jpg)

This is now complete all wired up for any future swaps including KA.
(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-12-13-19.11.09.jpg)

The current guide on the fuel pump wire up is a bit confusing, so I used the holley way of wiring it up. It is about the same, you just use a newish Relay in the process.
(http://www.g-funk.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/2016-12-14-18.20.07.png)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:22:35 PM / 21-Dec-16
It's alive, my timing theory is corrected.

https://youtu.be/7c1ZRnEIjSQ

I had to swap the coils around after this video to get it to actually rev up higher. But it's solid now..
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:48:24 PM / 23-Dec-16
What does the fuel pump rewire accomplish again? Waylon told me but I forgot...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 01:15:02 AM / 24-Dec-16
What does the fuel pump rewire accomplish again? Waylon told me but I forgot...

When you key on the system the fuel pump runs, when the key is turned off the fuel pump is cut.  This eliminates the ecu control or any type of in between issues that could cause continuous fuel pump running after the car is off.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 06:35:23 PM / 31-Dec-16
Ahh ok kinda like my black car where the pump stayed on after I cut the car off.....
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:04:01 PM / 31-Dec-16
Yeah, easy stuff.

I'll start tuning it this next week, been working 14 hours on some last minute projects at work.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 07:19:13 PM / 31-Dec-16
Nice! hey did you by chance take the walbro from the black car? just curious on what I have to replace when I get buy it back...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:17:57 PM / 31-Dec-16
Walbro is still there, Only thing I have removed is the engine and transmission, not using that transmission though.
what plans are in store for her?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 05:27:44 PM / 01-Jan-17
supercharged vh overfenders s13 front suspension waylons camber fix and r200 rear hopefully a obx kit...Haven't figured out rims yet...
Post Merge
If I can find some starion rims I might go that route...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:35:47 PM / 01-Jan-17
kewl, I got the z32 turbo trans if you want that also it was for the same idea swap for the black car, it was a future project idea.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 05:41:23 PM / 01-Jan-17
oh definitely! that way i don't have to search for one...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:05:59 PM / 21-Jan-17
When I get a moment, I will be switching from the V belt system back to the W belt, on the side note the W style Alt is failing just a reminder for myself and I do not have a replacement at this moment in time.

When complete I can finally time it correctly.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 08:56:26 PM / 07-Apr-17
Well after all of that I am pulling the bartco motor and seeing if there is something I can do either with the other ca18 or bring the ca20 down to the machine shop to fix the cracks.

The bartco motor wont start even at the normal TDC, it needs to be set at +60, and even then I can't time it. (technically 1/4 off of TDC)
 
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:41:46 AM / 12-Apr-17
Well more comparing between motors, I have pulled the ca18e out and did a rotation test and the rods seem to have 2" less travel in the ca18et than the ca20e I should have taken pictures with the measurements. but I am not sure if the ca18 / ca20 rods are that different, crank,  and / or pistons I am a bit confused at this point but this is a mysterious ca18et motor from the start.

Back to going all out on the ca20e block I've put the head but installed the cam / cam gear for the ca20 on this ca18e head as they are the same heads all around. In theory this should be like a fully rebuilt system since it is in theory rebuilt.

CA20 block I thought I had blown up from the head gasket failure but that was a mistake on my part. 

2/3 of the motor has been assembled and installed adding in the accessories and should be able to fire it up either tonight or tomorrow night after work.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:37:00 PM / 15-Apr-17
and she is now working.

https://youtu.be/9yNcI2WbJZg
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: CzechSilvia on 01:24:58 AM / 16-Apr-17
As for not being able to set the timing, is the only problem that the timing lines on the crank pulley and the arrow on the lower timing belt cover don't line up as they should when the engine in fact is on TDC? If so, try to get the bolts out of the crank pulley and rotate it. The crank pulley assembly on mk1 engine is not foolproof, it can be assembled wrong. Not sure about a mk2 engine, it might be the same...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Dark Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:45:36 AM / 16-Apr-17
the timing is different from the ca18et and ca20e to the ca20e ecu, so I swapped out the ca blocks and it is now running just fine.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:04:19 PM / 30-Apr-17
On a new note, she is working good. I took a nice test drive and worked out great no issues, no hesitation just like she would before.

Here is a walk around video.
https://youtu.be/_DE7A6Tk574

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 11:00:19 PM / 06-May-17
2 down 1 to go! nice work!
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:17:34 AM / 17-May-17
So I have did some investigating, and turns out my exhaust manifold gets almost 800F and my head is also pinged that high as the heat from the exhaust is also hitting the head.
This I believe what warped and damaged the previous head. I might proceed with a header wrap after tuning down the advancement as per suggested.

After that I am going to work on prepping some A/C install as I have a stock piled parts and going with propane as an r12 replacement.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: CzechSilvia on 10:57:45 AM / 20-May-17
I wonder how significantly the cylinder head temperature will change after you wrap the exhaust manifold. I think most of the heat on that side of the cylinder head must be from the exhaust gasses going through the head to the manifold.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:08:59 PM / 20-May-17
That is the same question I've asked myself, will know more when I have the time to do it.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 12:38:15 PM / 19-Jun-17
Drove it out of an emergency this morning to acquire a replacement battery for my 350z.

My Maf fell off going to the gas station my tube is also in bad shape so I am going to research if I can just install a custom CAI instead of this long black oem.

Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: sideways_s12 on 08:06:47 PM / 24-Jun-17
I've seen people use the aftermarket pipes on them so you should be good...
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:16:48 PM / 27-Aug-17
 I did a thing and fixed the intake a bit.
Used a few items that wasn't with the intake for the ca20e and it works great so far.
 https://youtu.be/sJdJi_a0q-8
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: CzechSilvia on 07:30:27 AM / 28-Aug-17
I see you have already wrapped the header. Did it affect the cylinder head temperature?
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 07:35:46 AM / 28-Aug-17
Yeah, it doesn't get as hot as it did before if I recall.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 05:10:23 PM / 23-Oct-17
I have to wrap the headers better but so far everything smooth except for a strange metal on metal noise from the transmission.
I couldn't see if there was an issue or not but I also had a small leak in the rear of the motor.
I pulled the transmission out and checked and safe keeping replaced the clutch kit, with new clutch release bearing etc... the old ka stuff retrofitted to the ca20 was about to go anyways and the pressure plate is a bit oldish.
I had a new clutch kit so I spent over 8 hours on sunday pulling the transmission, install clutch and remediating all the leaks I had and put it all back together.

Needs more gas but I also re-registered it with new classic vehicle plates.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 02:33:39 PM / 06-Dec-17
2018, Serenity is going to get a change.

Right now I am in the process of doing a few things here.

the main plan is down to 2 cars together 1 350z and 1 S12 so that means I need to rid myself of the current collections

Project Fairlady Silvia,
SEv6 is technically the drift missile because of the structural damages it has before I owned it and it was covered up and as the vg30 parts are already hard to come by and no actual bolt on kits to go turbo and such I will most likely retire the shell and either hold onto the motor for a future swap or sell to a local ratsun guy.

Black car going back to Jason (Sideways_s12) the idea is to get it back up and running with the ca18det and I acquire the orange s12 that he has in which if I acquire that, it will most likely be the ca18det my car #2 with the s13 conversion to the front suspension taken from the Fairlady silvia above including the rear 800lb springs in the rear, louvers from the serenity project and stereo system and then most likely sell project serenity as a running ca20e car.

Red car, I am still going to attempt to restore it to a point of a running and driving ca18et turbo car and then sell it as well.

By the end of 2018 I want to see my drive way filled with only 2 of my cars left.
if I don't acquire the orange car, the plan heads to the dark blue instead with the ca18det setup, s13 coils etc as a backup plan since it is 2/3 restored already.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 11:24:20 AM / 17-Jun-19
Quick update.
Break lights stopped working (except the trunk one)  so troubleshooting comes to a halt due my brother broke my tester light and multimeter and still has not replaced them.

I am acquiring an KA24E pulled running from a friend I know. ka24e from an automatic s13, this will replace the ca20e that i have inside soon.
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: Wonderingraven on 09:49:04 AM / 19-Jul-19
So on 07/17/2019 I lost my mom who was also my best friend passed away suddenly from
This project has been my back burner as a daily restore project and she just got turned into my next project of focus and replacing my Z as a daily driven car.
Ever since I bought the Z my mom wanted this car for her or another one just like it due to both she loved the color and that she can actually see over the hood. She was a good driver and always preferred as stick shift over an autotragic.

This morning, I had a FB memory with this car and made this post and instead of retyping I'd figure I'd just screen shot it and post it.
(http://www.tougesw.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/projectserenity.png)
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: rednucleus on 10:18:06 AM / 19-Jul-19
Thoughts & prayers for you & your mom today
Title: Re: 1986 XE S12 - Project Serenity
Post by: JonB on 06:56:27 PM / 19-Jul-19
I'm so sorry to hear about your mom. That's really a heavy loss for anyone - Be strong bro.