Ca18det Vs. Sr20det (s13)

Nebuchernezzer · 06:38:37 PM / 02-Oct-06

Ok who started this shit up again, this is like the 3rd thread this yeah.
Now read this slowly: you cannot compare dissimilar engines and come up with which is 'better'.
Every person has their own criteria which are different from the next man, everyones answer and opinion is different.
Can we add 'no CA vs SR threads' to the site 'readme' or somthing?

abunaiS12 · 08:25:45 PM / 02-Oct-06

i think the question here is not really which is better (ca vs sr) the question hes really trying to find out is which should he buy, which has to do with , wich is better bang for the buck thats why he is comparing two dissimilar engines because they are both semi powerful engines at reasonable prices

Walteezy · 09:24:00 PM / 02-Oct-06

Quote from: abunaiS12
i think the question here is not really which is better (ca vs sr) the question hes really trying to find out is which should he buy, which has to do with , wich is better bang for the buck thats why he is comparing two dissimilar engines because they are both semi powerful engines at reasonable prices

Yeah... What NIk said... Really I'd like fellow Drifters that have either of the two to tell me their expieriences w/the motors... And pros and cons of them both that happened to them while drifting w/each motor...

NORCALs12 · 10:18:23 PM / 02-Oct-06

The SR is a vastly superior engine. All Ca18's should be melted down for scrap metal.

abunaiS12 · 11:11:37 PM / 02-Oct-06

lol now its trailing off to things like that again.

SmashedGlass · 11:13:33 PM / 02-Oct-06

Heyyyyyyyyyyyy....didnt i just see you asking someone about the CA18det they were offering up for sale? How strange of you.

NORCALs12 · 11:25:31 PM / 02-Oct-06

Quote from: SmashedGlass
Heyyyyyyyyyyyy....didnt i just see you asking someone about the CA18det they were offering up for sale? How strange of you.

Me? nope not I.

Walteezy · 11:27:06 PM / 02-Oct-06

How about on this thread we stick to straight facts... I don't want to bash any of the motors... I just want to know which is better for Drifting, etc.?

NORCALs12 · 11:31:10 PM / 02-Oct-06

I can tell you which one is better for scrap metal.

Im sorry. PLz refer to my avatar

Walteezy · 11:55:19 PM / 02-Oct-06

Quote from: NORCALs12
I can tell you which one is better for scrap metal.
Im sorry. PLz refer to my avatar

Damn that's cold man...

yhave8 · 11:55:30 PM / 02-Oct-06

stock vs stock the sr will probly be the better one for drifting, but if its not stock there gona be the same depending on your cash flow

SmashedGlass · 12:00:18 AM / 03-Oct-06

Quote from: NORCALs12
Me? nope not I.

http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=15345
post #4. mysteriously looks just like you. twin? clone? nah.

Anyhoo, Abunai, this thread has gone completely to shit. My suggestion is you just browse the forums (this and any of the others dealing with the whole SR/CA/KA/RB/small block V8...you get the pic) and gather your facts and make your own decision. Every block has its own adherents and detractors, and in a place as completely skewed and biased as a frikkin public forum board it takes awhile to sort through the chaff.

yhave8 · 12:12:05 AM / 03-Oct-06

hes got ya

Walteezy · 12:18:03 AM / 03-Oct-06

Quote from: SmashedGlass
http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=15345
post #4. mysteriously looks just like you. twin? clone? nah.

Anyhoo, Abunai, this thread has gone completely to shit. My suggestion is you just browse the forums (this and any of the others dealing with the whole SR/CA/KA/RB/small block V8...you get the pic) and gather your facts and make your own decision. Every block has its own adherents and detractors, and in a place as completely skewed and biased as a frikkin public forum board it takes awhile to sort through the chaff.

Yeah that's true... I just wanted to hear some new information... But yeah I'm going to do that. Thanks.
-Walter

NORCALs12 · 01:42:07 AM / 03-Oct-06

Quote from: SmashedGlass
http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=15345
post #4. mysteriously looks just like you. twin? clone? nah.

Anyhoo, Abunai, this thread has gone completely to shit. My suggestion is you just browse the forums (this and any of the others dealing with the whole SR/CA/KA/RB/small block V8...you get the pic) and gather your facts and make your own decision. Every block has its own adherents and detractors, and in a place as completely skewed and biased as a frikkin public forum board it takes awhile to sort through the chaff.

whoa! yah i have a bit a problem with random posts. I was trying to get the opening page to have all the new post from me. *sigh* yes i was bored and drinking. And it is a great deal. Once i saw where this topic was going I was just trying to stir the pot, but i do think the potential of the SR is greater. Good detective work my friend.

Ryan

abunaiS12 · 03:28:51 AM / 03-Oct-06

caught shit handed lol. just get whichever one vince wants to get you

Walteezy · 03:44:24 AM / 03-Oct-06

Quote from: abunaiS12
caught shit handed lol. just get whichever one vince wants to get you

Oh good idea Nik ... Why dodn't I just get a spaceship engine? Lol... Even though he's my bro I'm paying him back... Dude he works hard playin ball and can't just blow his money.

Peacock · 03:58:44 AM / 03-Oct-06

CA18det all the way baby. True tho about the lack of torque at low end (which might help drifting) but it redlines like a motha fucka. I've drifted in an s12 hatch w/ ca18det and its f'ing fun as hell..

SmashedGlass · 08:54:11 AM / 03-Oct-06

Quote from: Abunai S-12 Drifter
Oh good idea Nik ... Why dodn't I just get a spaceship engine? Lol... Even though.............

I'm leaning towards trying out a John Deere motor in mine. Gobs of torque mang!

CA18DET: Lack of low end torque....It's not that bad of a lack (stock 175hp/166ft-lb) and with some parts and work builds into a decent motor. The real pluses in my eye are 1)affordability-a full swap with everything you need is around $1100+s/h whereas the SR is averaging $2200 or more and often needs extra things bought such as "oh, does not incl. igniter"; 2)it's different, the S12 is already an odd car that most people never see or have no idea what it is (I have people in my college auto classes who KNOW me and have had the car explained and they STILL f**k up and ask me what it is again) so why not throw in a motor that is equally un-well known here in the US ("dude, that a Skyline motor yo?" "um, yeah......"); and 3) the last run of the S12 came with this engine in the Japanese market so I figure it's only fitting to put the proper one in. The SR is a great motor when care is taken in it's build-up. But I think it belongs in it's proper place like the S13/14.....and RX-7's.

And in deferrence to the FJ whores: yes, it's a great frikkin motor, possibly the best 2.0 ever made and everyone salivates wishing they had one. But support, aftermarket and OEM, is virtually non-existent at least from what I've seen.

Now, whatever happened with that VH45 swap that someone was pulling off????

Smalltar_The_Impaler · 11:53:54 AM / 03-Oct-06

You gotta look at things logically and not listen to the fanboys. I mean, this shit is worse then console wars. I mean, the best people to listen to about the respective owners, right? WRONG! The reason for this is they'll tell you their engine is the best and fight with anyone else that disagrees, and nothing gets done.

Basically, the CA18DET is the cheaper solution. For the money that you save with buying the CA18, you can get enough upgrades to give it as much power as the SR20 whereas on the SR20, it's much easier to make extra power due to all the aftermarket support, therefore it will have a bit more potential. As far as image goes (If you're into that kinda thing), the SR20 is going to make all the kids hanging out at the mall go OOOOoohhh, unlike the turboed pulsar motor. Keep in mind I compared the S13 motors, not the S14, S15 Black tops, I never considered them because they're too overpriced for the minor differences in power.

Now, I suppose that I've never had to live with a SR20 for a long time, I've merely driven it a few times, and contrary to what all the SR fanboys told me, it wasn't an amazing experience or anything. I mean, it's just a 2.0L turbo, and not a godly gob of... amazingness. Basically, the revving and the way the engine itself felt was very similar to a Saab 9000. I had a CA18DE in my pulsar, and the motor was damn though. I still went up to 7.5K RPM every time I went out to have fun, and even with 350,000KM on it, it still pulled damn hard. It was a fun motor for sure. I've never actually driven anything with a CA18DET, but I'm pretty sure it'd feel the same but... turboed i suppose.

Anyway, in conclusion it's really all about the money. The more you can afford, the better it is. If you think about it, the SR20 is obviously better then the CA18 because it costs more, is newer, has more support and has more power, but in return it costs more. If you're going drifting, don't have sponsors and have limited income which you will be spending on your millions of tire changes and spare parts, your best bet is the CA18. It's not a gimp, and drifting with it is not going to be any harder with it then it will be with the SR20. For that matter, with the weight your saving, may even be easier as you will have better weight distribution. If you have some sponsors or a good gob of money put aside, may as well go for the SR20. You have more potential, more wow factor and more parts available. The engine may not rev as high off stock, but it's not going to be stock together.

Anyway, that's my view on it.