Rb Swap

[Draconis]

Okay, this is for a serious answer.

Randy and I are in the process of making the virtually impossible RB swap into a S12 something that everyone and anyone with a little bit of knowledge can do in their backyard.  Yes, it will be very simple.  The only issue will be wiring, but if you so choose, you could send it to us to be wired for you for a price of course.

Okay, I put a range of prices to see just what people think a swap should be done.  Normally, I know a swap is around $4k after parts and labor.  I am trying to make it so that one doesnt have to pay above $4k for their swap.

I am sorry for the delay about specific prices.  This just happened at the wrong time.  Dang SEMA.  ROFL.  Once I have an answer, I'll let you know.  The people I need to talk to have put just about everything on hold to attend it.

For the first batch of parts, would you guys be interested in a group buy.  The first batch to start off the business, Randy and I are thinking a group buy where the first 'x' amount of customers can receive our swap set up at a cheaper price than afterwards.

[NizmoFreak]

Im not even sure how much I would put down right now. I was considering an RB swap for a while but I was told It costed too much. For my drag car I will probably go for the VG or KA. If i go rb their is barley any aftermarket support in the states. Not sure yet though.

[Draconis]

Well, there is quite a bit of aftermarket for the RB itself.

As for the car itself, suspension and braking systems are on the list of things that Randy and I will be making raedy.  The only thing that is holding us back right now is funding to get the items to test them.

As for drag, the KA definately wont keep up and the VG unless it's turboed cannot keep up with the RB series.

[Seraph1m]

wah. i want an RBS-12  looks like i have more reason than ever to do it now, too, seeing as how i may have cooked my clutch. (got stuck in a ditch, rocked it back and forth to get it unstuck, couldn't get out, so i drove half a kilometer backwards until i could get out)

[falkhen]

wah. i want an RBS-12  looks like i have more reason than ever to do it now, too, seeing as how i may have cooked my clutch. (got stuck in a ditch, rocked it back and forth to get it unstuck, couldn't get out, so i drove half a kilometer backwards until i could get out)

how about JZGT-12    

[Nebuchernezzer]

I'm assuming the ammount you have listed in the poll is the ammount you would be paying for someone to do it all for you after you supply the front cut or whatever?  Or is this the price for a fitting kit?
Just curious.

[falkhen]

I'm assuming the ammount you have listed in the poll is the ammount you would be paying for someone to do it all for you after you supply the front cut or whatever?  Or is this the price for a fitting kit?
Just curious.

yeah i think that is the point of this poll

i put $1,000 down and bought the motor $1,327 shipped (rb20det motor set)
so about 2,327 total and climbing

[falkhen]

yeah i think that is the point of this poll

i put $1,000 down and bought the motor $1,318 shipped (rb20det motor set)
so about 2,327 total and climbing

sorry about the double Post

actual cost to day is $3,951.45 - $1,000 = $2,951.45
this does not include my exhuast or my intercooler plumbing. or any of the peice parts that i needed.

still need to be done.
plumbing, Exhuast, intercooler
speedo cable
rack and pionon is shot replacing that

Also note that fact that i have a Digital Dash allot of my junk don't work any more becuase of the Engine swap.
Speedo works and all idiot lites. and boost will work to soon as i hook up the hose.



so in total if you LOVE your S12 and are able or willing to sink 4g's or more... do it.
i don't know i think an S13 with a tuned Sr20det would be better and cheaper...
i can talk junk about my project...  

[Draconis]

As for Falkhen's project, I just want to say that the things listed that needs to be done in his car are not necessarily what everyone will need to do.  The Speedo cable and the Rack were due to the condition his car was in, not the swap.

[falkhen]

As for Falkhen's project, I just want to say that the things listed that needs to be done in his car are not necessarily what everyone will need to do.  The Speedo cable and the Rack were due to the condition his car was in, not the swap.

this is true the rack was crap when I got the car. heh..  
the speedo cable came out of the car while it was being towed.

as for the Digital i don't really think its a loss in a second thought.
little research my help on this subject...
 but i will push this on another thread...

[TE27Levin]

Rule of thumb. If I cant fit my penis into its intake ports it aint goin my car. RB20 FTL.

[Draconis]

Rule of thumb. If I cant fit my penis into its intake ports it aint goin my car. RB20 FTL.

Wow... then you sure dont know the amount of tinkering they do in Australia... They use RB20s all the time cause they are cheap and easy to build.  And they get tons of power out of them when built.  They are respectable engines, that's for sure.

[sicj]

I'm very interested in a group buy. There has to be an easier way than a 240 cross member with Mickinely (?) mounts, then you still have to worry abou the trans mount...

I hope this happens within two months!

[Draconis]

No... the motor mounts are different from the S13 and S12... they still need to be somewhat modified... I've looked into this before.

Group buy would help heaps... right now we have been trying to fund this ourselves from our pockets... While at the same time I've been trying to get my car finished for the editor at Modified.   ARG!  LOL

[mcfizzle]

Rule of thumb. If I cant fit my penis into its intake ports it aint goin my car. RB20 FTL.

 Uh... I know a 2L six cylinder engine isn't exactly the most appealing, but Colin's right. RB20 is still a very high potential engine. Probably among the higher I've ever seen crammed into an S12, except the mystery VG30DETT swap.

I'm still waffling around on what engine to put into my S12, Colin. I gotta get the CA20 to pass Oregon DEQ first. Good thing you gave me that extra can, the hole in the thing right now is HUGE. I keep flip-flopping around between KA-T, CA18DET and RB20. Mark me down as a maybe for the swap equipment... Job pending.

[Nameless]

I dont know, i think the rb25 sounds like the better buy. Bigger and newer.

[ryan206]

I called Axiom yesterday, and Randy told me $4000 in Labor.

UP Garage says $4000 for Parts + Labor, but they've never swaped an RB into an S12...

If I could get it cheaper, I would love it... I want an RB so bad, but I have to work my ass off for like 4-5 months and not spend a cent to get it..

I narrowed it down to RB20DET or CA18DET, but I'd much rather have the RB... It has a lot of potiental, and its always cool to say you got a Skyline Motor in your car...

If it could be installed for a grand, I would do that in a heartbeat, since thats the labor on most engines!

[mcfizzle]

Colin is talking about getting the stuff so you could do it at home.

[Draconis]

I called Axiom yesterday, and Randy told me $4000 in Labor.

You sure it's $4k in just labor?  That's not what we had talked about earlier  And if you go through Doug, it would not look like mine... Nor will it be given as much thorough attention as mine... Doug said some of the stuff Randy did on mine he would never had done.  Mainly, Doug doesnt fabricate like Randy... He tends to use what's already around an then put it together.  Give me a couple days and I'll see what I can come up with.

[Draconis]

I havent been over there yet... give me like 30 min... but from what I know, one of the biggest issues with doing the swap is that each subframe has to be made individually... Therefore it's a timely process.  We do not have copies or a blueprint of one that currently exists... hence:  http://club-s12.org/v3/index.php?topic=17160

If we had subframes already made up, I do know the cost would go down.  last time I talked about this, we had lots of ppl who wanted it, but not enough ppl who were willing to put down money for us to make them.  I did all the research on who to go to and shit.. Found someone would make us the subframes and tranny mounts with water cut technology... cleaner and keeps the strength in the material instead of possible warping or damaging it in other ways.

I'll talk to Randy and go over stuff again and list the requirements of what we would like to do to a swap.. Now someone could skimp out and not do everything we would advise and still have the car run... but it's some ground work.

So expect more tonight.