Rb Swap

[mcfizzle]

Let us know what's up... You may be talking me back around into an RB swap.

[NeedCAforS13]

rb20 = barf city.

sorry dude. you have a solid looking s12 with some cool shit done to it, but the rb20 kills it. hell, even the rb25 isn't worthwhile in my opinion. And I've driven a bad ass rb25 powered s13 making over 300whp. It was kinda, meh. Considering how much was spent...

[TalkingGoats]

Dude... Are you only on this forum for burns?

[NeedCAforS13]

pretty much. I don't contribute at all, mr. 32 posts.

[mcfizzle]

Nah, he isn't. There are a lot of people out there who don't like the RB20. Two liters is extremely small for a six cylinder engine, so you've got to see where they're coming from on it. I think it could still be a worthwhile effort, but that's just me.

[NeedCAforS13]

Dude... Are you only on this forum for burns?

no, that would be unfair to burns. I'm here for allen too.

[TalkingGoats]

It has nothing to do with contribution, but seriously wtf is your problem?

[NeedCAforS13]

i don't like you. or 90% of the retards who own s12's. you're like the kids who were too cheap to buy an s13/s14, and therefore you're too poor to do anything cool to your s12. so you do stupid shit that doesn't really do much. like try and get 150hp out of a ca20. or put an rb20 in your car instead of something better. save up afew extra bucks, do something cool. its not hard or expensive to build a sweet car, if you keep it simple. he could have installed a baller ca18det for the price he spent on that rb20. and it wouldn't have sucked.

am I an asshole? yes. but am I correct? also yes. very few people tell me I'm wrong, but I do get alot of "you're an asshole" remarks because of the way I tell you you're wrong.

[Premo]

no, that would be unfair to burns. I'm here for allen too.

 

HA!

[sam31183]

colin wanted me to read this last night...and i did. And I didnt feel like posting on it last night....but I think I should kind of throw my 2 cents out there so you can give me change...you cheap commie bastards!


rb20 pros and cons

pros
it is a skyline engine...even if it is the lower level one so for a lot of people there is the wow factor when colin pops his hood.

it makes...ok power, but it should for being a straight 6 turbo. Yah, it is only 2 liters of displacement, and sure it takes up a lot more space then a sr, but i believe that the engine is cheaper then a sr because it doesn't have a royal fan boy base. Even tho I have noticed a lot of rb20s in the pacific northwest going into s13s.

cons:
size...this thing is massive. I love my 18det in my s12...so much room in there i can work on anything on it just about without having to worry about pulling the engine.

custom driveshaft, engine mounts, transmission mounts...this can be costly to do.

Weight. I dont know exactly how much the rb20 weighs, but it looks massive to me.




Now, I rode in draco on sunday...it got going pretty good, even tho it is pretty much a stock rb20, also colin didnt really get on it. He eased into the throttle and maybe got to 3/4th open throttle. After that I had indy take me for a ride in his 18det s12. He actually got on it and yes you can tell there is a power difference...but its a 1.8 4 cylinder vs a straight 6 2.0. One thing tho I really really liked about the 18det was the throttle response was amazing to me...and i love the sound. I can tell now that it is going to make a good autox engine.


So in conclusion; could colin of spent the same amount on a 18det and got the same power out of it that he is making in the rb20? or more? Its quite possible...but colin isnt racing his car, he is going to shows and trying to get sponsors/exposure for the s12...so the engine works for him. I think it really comes down to what you want to do with the car...i can see colin made the right decision for him and that indy and i made the right decision for us.

[Draconis]

double post.. see below

[Draconis]

Okay as of now...

Yes it is $4k for the following:

labor/materials for wiring, custom subframe, tranny mount, downpipe and intercooler piping.  Yes you can skip a some things like the intercooler and do it yourself and cut corners in other areas, but from working on my swap then Falkhen's, we figured out what looks better, performs better and is most pleasing... look at the pics in Falkhen's posts and compare to the ones when I did it.  Yes, it costs a bit more, but the end product is a lot cleaner and overall something well worth it.

All you have to do beyond that is buy the motorset, intercooler, exhaust pipe, timing belt and waterpump.  This will cost you around $2k.  Go to UPGarage and order your motorset thru Doug, have them drop it off at Axioim then do the swap over where Randy can get a hold of it.  There are obvious reasons as to why Doug's price is cheaper... but it also leaves out certain things... it's a good place to do a swap... but Doug himself said that Randy did things that he would never had done when he looked over my swap.

Other things that are requimended for future performance of a RB S12 from my experiences:
AFC Neo
Tokico/Koni Struts
Canuk Springs
Boost Gauge

In about a month my car will be in for several upgrades and we are hoping to be able to make copies of the following:

intercooler piping, downpipe, subframe and tranny mount

If we can get a group buy or we fund the copies/jigs of these pieces ourselves, then it will be a lot cheaper to do a RB swap rather than build each car separately.

I am looking to get a new intake plenium and turbo, so my downpipe and current intercooler piping will be used for the jigs needed and for sale for someone who wants to do a swap at a much cheaper price.

But as of now, each car has to be produced as a standalone... hence the length of time/labor it takes to do each car that comes in.

So if anyone is willing to lend us a subframe so we can make a copy, we will be able to mass produce these and we can work out an agreement with the donor of the subframe.

I also have a rb20 water pump, timing belt, boost gauge, A/F gauge and Water Temp. gauge that will be available by the end of the month.

[Ozchuck]

lol needCAfors13... you're an arsehole...

I've also given RB25 S13's a punt, at 180KW, and then again at about 400HP... They're pretty sweet.
One post says the RB25 was meh, then the next says save the little more and get something cool.

I wanna know what you think is a little more, and what "cool" stuff you can get for it.

If you want a reliable drift engine that can handle a years worth of rev-limiter, then still drive you to work each day, you cant go past the RB20.
I myself have a CA18, I do prefer it, and when it pops I will get it rebuilt with forged pistons and big cams and stuff... But chances are it still wont make over 190KW's and last very long.

The RB20 however can be had for less than a CA rebuild alone, and makes more power, no matter what level o modifications you go with ( the ol' 2l has a habit of doing that.)

[gerrybg]

(I have a sr20det by the way, so am impartial with the ca18det vs RB20det and think they are both good in their own right, though yes ca18det conversion is much easier than RB, so cheaper easier bang for the bucks). The RB20 is only 2 litres yes, but because its a 6 and only 2 litres this means shorter stroke = good revs and good torque, (heard of the 60's minis, which had the shortest strokes going so you could rev the shit out of them and punish them, they used to thrash a lot of the fat arse 'grunt' cars on tight tracks, because you could rev the shit out of them and they handled so well you could throw them around like nothing else).