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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #140 on: 03:21:57 AM / 03-Oct-12 »
Oh, yeah you won't benefit from that then. Space out some shitty hellasunk wheels for MOT insp. and swap out after?

Well if the wheels are already +42 then they are sunk. You can fit a way more aggressive wheel on the front
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #141 on: 06:54:05 AM / 03-Oct-12 »
Well if the wheels are already +42 then they are sunk. You can fit a way more aggressive wheel on the front

Take a look at my pics a couple of posts back, you can see they are virtually hanging out of the arches.  I am using S13 LCAs

in fact here they are along with measurements of the Skyline GTST calipers fitted







« Last Edit: 10:55:00 AM / 03-Oct-12 by paulsilv »

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #142 on: 02:02:18 PM / 03-Oct-12 »
the calipers are on the wrong side of the caliper bracket dude. it goes inside the two holes not outside
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #143 on: 02:28:56 PM / 03-Oct-12 »
Add some camber to it. I could easily fit a 15 x 7 et 0 on the front
What size tire is that and what width is the rim
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #144 on: 06:01:59 PM / 03-Oct-12 »
17x7, 205/40 tyres ET42

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #145 on: 10:15:06 PM / 03-Oct-12 »
Add some camber then
Those should easily fit
« Last Edit: 10:15:50 PM / 03-Oct-12 by D-sport S12 »
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #146 on: 03:43:38 PM / 10-Oct-12 »
the calipers are on the wrong side of the caliper bracket dude. it goes inside the two holes not outside

Can you show me pictures of your S13 front setup with Skyline R33 GTST calipers fitted so I can see

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #147 on: 08:53:56 PM / 10-Oct-12 »
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #148 on: 09:56:59 PM / 10-Oct-12 »
http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp313/arnny69er/IMG_0517.jpg

redrill r33 rotors to 4 lug

they are redrilled to 4 lug.  can you show them all bolted to your car working?
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #149 on: 02:12:06 PM / 11-Oct-12 »
it isn't my car it's my friends but you have to get a caliper bracket extension with longer bolts or a different retrofitted caliper
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #150 on: 04:11:27 PM / 12-Oct-12 »
it isn't my car it's my friends but you have to get a caliper bracket extension with longer bolts or a different retrofitted caliper

WHAT, It isn't your car.

Exactly what has your friend done?  Fitting a caliper bracket extension will move the position of the caliper in our out. That then has the knock on effect of the disc not fitting into the caliper.

I could have easily retrofitted another caliper/disc setup, I'm after real answers here not a friend of a friends car story with a vague setup

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #151 on: 08:37:11 PM / 13-Oct-12 »
Ok there calm down, he just tried to help. If you dont care for his info then take it for what it was. Im not sure of the setup myself so i am not to sure as to what you need to do other then to try different rims. My -38 17x7 enkies were pretty fucking close to my wilwood calipers on my car. I am also running stock lcas (customized and Box welded)  and stock strut so i could space out the wheel.

« Last Edit: 09:11:23 PM / 13-Oct-12 by Prolowtone »
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #152 on: 09:18:36 AM / 30-Oct-12 »
Thanks for calming me down Prolowtone :grinwink:, and for your excellent pictures, im sure they will help other members doing this swap.

What brake setup have you got there? Which Wilwood calipers and discs?

I was just asking for complete concise information previously, as its hard enough keeping these cars on the road when there are very, very few parts now available for them.

Enkei PR01 wheels bought really cheap off eBay with tyres.

Trial fitted them and they fit perfect.  Should have immense braking upfront now with the R33 GTST calipers and discs.







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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #153 on: 07:58:44 PM / 02-Nov-12 »
Damn that looks good.

 My kit was from a group buy years back set up by the member Magnum. The calipers and rotors i believe were for an s13 but have a custom CNCed top hats for the rotor to attach to the hub and a CNCed bracket for the caliper to bolt to the stock s12 strut. I have stock s12 struts and hubs with canuck motorsport lowering springs. I had to grind down the lip around the balljoint of the LCA and the bottom of my balljoint near the grease fitting to Clear the rotor :S which i why i reinforced it all by box welding and thickening the lca. Lets just say it is Any thing but bolt on :nerdyembarassed: took a bit of effort and a kick in the ass to try it





they are huge dont fit my stock rims, smallest rim i can fit is a 16

« Last Edit: 08:00:12 PM / 02-Nov-12 by Prolowtone »
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #154 on: 03:21:02 PM / 28-Sep-13 »
 this is the setup im going to be running, are these options for the tierods bolt in? 

Option 1:
S12 Setup
 -S13 balljoint
 -S13 spindle
 -S13 5-lug conversion hub /// -stock S13 4-lugs
 -S13 Brake caliper hoses (Optional, but recommended as the S12 hoses stretch a little tight)
 -S12 stock control arm/tension rods
 -S13 tie rods, and 1995 ford escort tie rod ends /// S12 tie rods, A1 tie rod ends 
« Last Edit: 04:04:18 PM / 29-Sep-13 by Slideways87Panda »
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #155 on: 10:05:40 AM / 05-Jun-14 »
You can run the Z31 front shocks. The 280ZX ones are like stock length, so if you have Canucks lowering springs, the Z31s are actually better fitting because they are slightly shorter. I don't know which insert is the right one. If you look on the Z31 forums you can find out which one is 10mms larger or not. I would think the Turbo ones are 10mm larger so check around before ordering anything.

Can anyone confirm that Z31 front shocks do, in fact, work on our car?

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #156 on: 03:11:57 PM / 08-Jul-14 »
Sorry for yet another 'will this work' question, but my fucking ADD brain can't prioritize for shit so I forgot to order half the stuff. Could someone wise please correct me if I'm missing something for an S13 control arm setup? This is what I have right now:

· Damper struts
· S13 hubs, brake discs and callipers
· S13 lower control arms + ball joints
· S13 tie rod ends

I tried to read up properly this time so I don't have to make yet another order. Is there anything else than the stuff listed below that I should have for it to work?

· S13 tie rods - http://camskill.co.uk/m20b0s2021p7144/NISSAN_200SX_1_8_COUPE_TURBO_S13_(CA18DET)_(01_89-11_94)_-_SERVICING_PARTS_TUNING_SPARES_and_SERVICE_ACCESSORIES_-_Steering_Rack_End_-_200SX_S13_Turbo_Models

· S13 Tein tension rods - http://camskill.co.uk/m20b0s2023p7161/NISSAN_200SX_1_8_COUPE_TURBO_S13_(CA18DET)_(01_89-11_94)_-_SERVICING_PARTS_TUNING_SPARES_and_SERVICE_ACCESSORIES_-_Tein_Pillow_Ball_Tension_Rods_-_All_200SX_S13_Turbo_Models

· S14 tension rod brackets

Are the S13 tie rods and S14 brackets bolt-on without any major modification? Also, will an aftermarket S13 sway bar fit after changing to the S13 LCAs?
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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #157 on: 02:23:34 AM / 09-Jul-14 »
You have to drill a new hole, or oval out a current hole (your choice) on the S14 brackets. Nothing major, but I'd suggest a drill press and drilling them. I used an s13 swaybar, so I imagine the aftermarket ones will fit. Had to get new universal swaybar brackets (comes with bushing for $20) from energy suspension + a stack of washers to get it mounted though.

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #158 on: 06:06:22 AM / 09-Jul-14 »
You need 1995 ford escort tie rod ends and S13 tie rods OR S12 tie rods and A1 tie rod ends 
Aftermarket S13 swaybar should work.
Your struts have to be aftermarket coilovers, factory S13 ones will not work. Their diameter is too big.


This is what you need to do to the S14 castor rod brackets. Hope it helps you out.

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Re: The Suspension Build Guide For Your S12
« Reply #159 on: 05:04:29 AM / 15-Jul-14 »
Awesome! You guys rock!

So, new plan:

· A1 tie rods
· Tein tension rods
· S14 tension rod brackets

The coilovers and S13 hubs are already fitted. Now I just need to source a set of S14 tension rod brackets... Any hints on where one could find a pair online (new, preferably in Europe) would be highly appreciated.

And oh, one last question... is the S12 sway bar bolt-on to the S13 control arms? Just as a temporary solution until I get a proper S13 ARB.
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