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« Reply #40 on: 05:42:22 PM / 08-Oct-08 »
A guy I work with had an old 82 Yota pickup that seemed to lose weight yearly.  This thing was so rusty that it matched the Rust-orange paint and you could lift the box off the bolts.  I wish I still had the pic from when he was selling it, but it must have weighed 2x less than my Chevy S10 does.
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« Reply #41 on: 09:19:13 PM / 12-Oct-08 »
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1130kg = 2491.2lbs

Amazing weight there.  MK1.5 notch.  Not stripped or anything and with extra crap in it.  The car low option?  Manual windows and such?

I aight, i did the re-wieghing, took al the random other stuff outtat the car, made a nice lil pile on the ground lol...

I lifted the sub box and held it up and checked wieght, then did the same with the 2nd battery mounted in the trunk. the cars wieght now was down to 1120... only lost 10kgs??? i think somehtings amiss there, or maybe i botched the first wiegh in... lol

Anyways, i dont realy expect to find a fibreglass or carbon hood without some one pretty much custom fabbing one... but i was thinkin the windshield must wiegh quite a bit, just like that infamouse rear hatch glass...

I was then thinkin i should get a sheet of Lexan for the windshield, and since my windshield is cracked n leaks anytime is gonna be a good time. I found a realy good how-2/step by step well explained proccess of some one else doin it to an XR on another forum.

But i was thinkin of using lexan to make a hood... lol.. its gotta be lighter than metal... lol and since the hood is pretty much just a big flat piece, it'll be a sinch.
have it all figured out in me head... hehe

but that should be what a rough 50-maybe 75 pnds?
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« Reply #42 on: 12:31:57 AM / 13-Oct-08 »
you can cut the bracing out of the underside of the hood, it isn't very stiff then, but latches just fine.  Mine went from 40.5 to 28 or so lbs by doing this.  Free mod! lol

idk about the lexan on a dd car for the windshield, not sure on how that holds up to scratches over time.  I've heard at speeds the lexan tends to bow inward...

rear glass, you could do in sections.  some work, tho...
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« Reply #43 on: 03:21:11 AM / 13-Oct-08 »
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Just a question because a friend of mine has been having a "friendly" debate with me, but where does the Supra MkII fit in here?  I'm also surprised that the AE86 or Rx-7 FD aren't even on that list.


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2,524 lbs. - Toyota MR2 Mark II
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2,640 lbs. - 200SX (S12 Turbo/NA 4 cyl)
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idk about the lexan on a dd car for the windshield, not sure on how that holds up to scratches over time.  I've heard at speeds the lexan tends to bow inward...

rear glass, you could do in sections.  some work, tho...

yeah lexan and our cars is just not a good idea... never for a windshield, and the rear hatch glass is too curved. Someone tried this before... the rear glass is *curved* and so bending the plexi or lexan will cause it to shatter at some point (his did). You could try sections but then you'll look ghey as hell, like your car's butt-end is a big diamond cut

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Hella flush and all associates should be gunned down for brainwashing people into thinking a 225 and lots of camber is proper wheel fitment. THAT IS EASY, anyone can camber a skinny as tire till it dosnt rub. Now fitting an 11 with a 315 on stock fender with reasonable camber, that is fitment. And looks, and performs better than both.
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« Reply #44 on: 06:37:45 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
the lexan has some measure of flexibility, and if they can put a lexan windshield on the merkur, then it should go on just fine for the nissy... but i do agree, it will get plenty scratched up n stuff over time, but if ya take it easy on it, it should last for a good while, and possibly, maybe some kinda treatment like we use on the yeallowed plastic headlights.. oh wait.. wrong car... ugh.. too much car stuff in my head during the course of a day... but softer wipers, and etc etc... i can make it work.. lol

anyways, some bimbo i had helpin me at the shop hooked one of my batteries up reverse... i had one mounted up front, and one in the rear runnin my subs etc... i wondered why she was havin such a problem gettin the batt terminal on, poundin on it etc... by the time i got there, the both batteries and half my car is fried, not to mention the original proble, of the alternator... it litteraly reversed the polarity on the smaller battery.. sighs.

now i gotta rip the whole damn car apart... looks like engine swap is commin sooner than expected.. i had hoped to keep the parts n pieces etc for some other futur project, but *sighs* gona be spring before i can do anything with it...

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« Reply #45 on: 07:02:48 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
It might bend enough for the front windshield, but I wouldn't put it there... in any case I was talking about the hatch glass and notch rear glass... in which case it won't bend enough at the sides.
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Hella flush and all associates should be gunned down for brainwashing people into thinking a 225 and lots of camber is proper wheel fitment. THAT IS EASY, anyone can camber a skinny as tire till it dosnt rub. Now fitting an 11 with a 315 on stock fender with reasonable camber, that is fitment. And looks, and performs better than both.
i dont own a s12 at the moment but trying to acquire one to get rid of my s13 hatch
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« Reply #46 on: 07:10:19 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
Do you think my S12 would pass a V.I with lexan rear glass
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« Reply #47 on: 07:40:02 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
No, because I just said that you can't bend lexan that sharply.

But since you either ignored that or think I'm a lunatic, I'll show you the rear glass

Notchback:





Hatchback:





FYI, a guy tried a lexan rear glass replacement on a hatchback, and even tried to use rods underneath to help curve it. It shattered on him. And the notchback is worse. So it's not gonna happen, unless you cut it into angled sections, then like i said above, your car's butt will look like a diamond, and you think the car inspector will notice? lol
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Hella flush and all associates should be gunned down for brainwashing people into thinking a 225 and lots of camber is proper wheel fitment. THAT IS EASY, anyone can camber a skinny as tire till it dosnt rub. Now fitting an 11 with a 315 on stock fender with reasonable camber, that is fitment. And looks, and performs better than both.
i dont own a s12 at the moment but trying to acquire one to get rid of my s13 hatch
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« Reply #48 on: 08:20:28 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
lol my bad i didnt read it properly
i was wondering that myself and how sharp the bend is in the rear glass
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« Reply #49 on: 08:26:24 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
Has anyone thought of using heat to bend the lexan/plexiglass?

Ive done it before for art purposes, and I managed to get a curved V shape out of a sheet of 1/4 inch plexi in an art class without it cracking at all, only problem is it distorts the view a bit.
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« Reply #50 on: 08:51:15 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
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Has anyone thought of using heat to bend the lexan/plexiglass?

Ive done it before for art purposes, and I managed to get a curved V shape out of a sheet of 1/4 inch plexi in an art class without it cracking at all, only problem is it distorts the view a bit.

Yeah, the only problem with apply any sort of heat to plastic is that this happens.  You end up with a very milky plastic where the heat was applied.

I'll just wait until Engineer Scotty comes back in time to save Humpback whales and invents transparent aluminum along the way.
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« Reply #51 on: 11:15:47 PM / 16-Oct-08 »
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Yeah, the only problem with apply any sort of heat to plastic is that this happens.  You end up with a very milky plastic where the heat was applied.

I'll just wait until Engineer Scotty comes back in time to save Humpback whales and invents transparent aluminum along the way.
see, milky wouldnt bother me, it'd just be on the two lines where its curved.
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« Reply #52 on: 01:59:30 AM / 17-Oct-08 »
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I'll just wait until Engineer Scotty comes back in time to save Humpback whales and invents transparent aluminum along the way.

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAROFLMFAO OMG that takes me back.  My mom rented ALL the star trek movies for me one summer.  I watched them all in 1 day haha.  Fuggin transparent aluminum HAHAHA.  And he tried to talk into the mouse!! "Computer?"  LMAO.  Ok so its not that funny but its a really good childhood memory of mine.

BTW that black notch is sex.  Black on gold shoes is hottness!

Anyway anyone else got weigh-ins?  Mayb info on how much certain removable components weigh?  I wish I woulda weighed all the crap for the hatch rear wiper and front and rear washer stuff.  Good amount of weight there.  No more washers or rear wiper but I'm not sweatin it.  Could figure by now that my S12 wont be a DD.  The Rex has that duty and will remain.  Mileage yo


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« Reply #53 on: 11:29:41 AM / 17-Oct-08 »
One issue that really hasn't been addressed with cutting all the weight out of a car is grip. If you hack and slash the rear end of your car, your not gonig to have enough weight to allow for good grip. This does not translate into easier drifting, but it will cause more unperdictable drifts/ shitty high speed downforce. If you really feel that your car is to heavy, which at a good 2,400 lbs of diet it's not, look more into poewr adders. If you truly want to get into SCCA/NASA racing, you'll have to make a certian power to weight for your class. So before you go punching holes and cutting things out, think about the cars front/rear/side-to-side weight balance.

If you think that the savings of 100lbs. is that significant, add another 25-30 whp to make the difference.
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« Reply #54 on: 05:19:10 PM / 17-Oct-08 »
I just I'll just change my name to "Thread stooooop-p-p-p-per"
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When the new owner went with a speed 180-190 km/h, it was attacked by a tree


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« Reply #55 on: 05:26:18 PM / 17-Oct-08 »
You should if you keep posting like that! lol

I agree with what you said 100% there.
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Hella flush and all associates should be gunned down for brainwashing people into thinking a 225 and lots of camber is proper wheel fitment. THAT IS EASY, anyone can camber a skinny as tire till it dosnt rub. Now fitting an 11 with a 315 on stock fender with reasonable camber, that is fitment. And looks, and performs better than both.
i dont own a s12 at the moment but trying to acquire one to get rid of my s13 hatch
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« Reply #56 on: 05:45:37 PM / 17-Oct-08 »
And here this should be /thread..

Last time I was down at the beach I drove my buddies S2K. Great fucknig car, awesome handling out of the box, great power, just a blast to drive. His car is bone stock except a Borla cat-back. Then I drove another friend S2K. Again, bone stock, no cat back, but he got a hard top for it. It's the stock aluminum hard top from Honda. But what he did was remove the soft top assemble from the car as well. The ass end was WAYYYYYY to light when he did that. At highway speed, you could feel the back getting lighter and lighter. At about 80 the car was uncontrollable.

So this is why shaving every last pound is not a good idea. The car was designed to have a certain balance. Cutting and hacking will ruin this unless you plan on re-balancing the car using steel weights.
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« Reply #57 on: 06:19:24 PM / 17-Oct-08 »
At this weight, you're right... You have to get more serious with car aero, diffusers, splitters, wings, etc.

Though I would like to point out that with my hatch at 2400LBS, I don't notice any stability issues in the rear, though it does need more weight back there. It's more noticeable during winter though, for obvious reasons.

I do however notice the rear isn't as firmly planted when I drive with out the rear spoiler. So that might be more of an issue with the notch than the hatch, might be something worth looking into for Sterling.
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« Reply #58 on: 06:29:16 PM / 17-Oct-08 »
To add weight you can always weld in steel block to the back, over the axle. I've never drive a notch 200sx, and personally and no offense, I never really like them. Just like an AE, I always have to go with the hatch.

That aside, I would venture to guess that if you want to go below the 2,200 lbs. mark, you'll need some serious aero parts. People might go you for the big GT style wing, but if put on proper, you'll be amazed at the difference it will make for high speed stability.

Haha, I must be the only person on here that would ever tell you to ADD weight to a car. I must be nuts...

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« Reply #59 on: 08:19:21 PM / 17-Oct-08 »
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One issue that really hasn't been addressed with cutting all the weight out of a car is grip. If you hack and slash the rear end of your car, your not gonig to have enough weight to allow for good grip. This does not translate into easier drifting, but it will cause more unperdictable drifts/ shitty high speed downforce. If you really feel that your car is to heavy, which at a good 2,400 lbs of diet it's not, look more into poewr adders. If you truly want to get into SCCA/NASA racing, you'll have to make a certian power to weight for your class. So before you go punching holes and cutting things out, think about the cars front/rear/side-to-side weight balance.

If you think that the savings of 100lbs. is that significant, add another 25-30 whp to make the difference.

Sorry only thing I can agree with there is the part about balance.  As far as there possibly being such a thing as "too light"?  No way.  A fairly balanced, very lightweight car with decent rubber will corner circles around a heavier, more powerful car with hugh rubber.

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