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Offline nismologist

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« on: 05:32:22 PM / 08-Dec-08 »
looking to swap motors again.new v6 type.vq35 to be exact.but im open to any suggestions on v6 nissan engines.

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« Reply #1 on: 11:57:59 PM / 08-Dec-08 »
draconis started out with a se and the same idea swaping in nothing less than six cilinders, he ended up with a rb20det, i personaly like the idea of a vq series swap though, just cause that seams to be nissan's new motor, they stick it or variations of it in just about anything, and the aftermarket is seeing this and making lots of new parts for vq engines, although the vq wires would be uncharted teritories for the s12 world
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« Reply #2 on: 12:03:56 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
Haha, a VQ35 swap. It's way out of your league, nearly out of everyone's league.

Way too much involved in that swap, especially engine management
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« Reply #3 on: 12:20:36 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
I didnt do the VQ cause that was in like 03 and they were still really expensive at the time.  That and I didnt have the contacts I do now to grab what is needed.  So in reality, it was more of a financial issue that caused me to go RB first off.  I'd still do it in a heart beat though.

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« Reply #4 on: 12:32:04 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
Just buy a vg30et and have manifolds made for it. then just make your own oil lines. that would give you a lot of cash for mods. you would still be under the budget of a VQ swap.


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« Reply #5 on: 01:46:23 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
oh im so surprised...more negativity.im not going to let you guys say this and that..i dont care.i can do whatever i put my mind too.this is a tough choice...hardest one yet.ive got the vg30et.the vg30det,the vg30dett,the vq35,and the vg33er,am i missing anything?

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« Reply #6 on: 01:49:53 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
VG30DE?

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« Reply #7 on: 01:51:47 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
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« Reply #8 on: 03:05:58 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
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Haha, a VQ35 swap. It's way out of your league, nearly out of everyone's league.

Way too much involved in that swap, especially engine management[/u]

I agree.


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Just buy a vg30et and have manifolds made for it. then just make your own oil lines. that would give you a lot of cash for mods. you would still be under the budget of a VQ swap.


That's easier said than done, and if you pay someone to do it, very very expensive. VG30ET is full of fail potential as an S12 swap project.

VG33E is a GOOD idea IF and only if you already have an SE, because then you already have the crossmember for that engine. If you do not, then it would be better to go with a 4-cylinder option.

However if I had an SE, instead of a VG33E, I would rather remote mount a turbo system like mc did.
« Last Edit: 03:10:16 AM / 09-Dec-08 by Arro »
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« Reply #9 on: 03:09:38 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
vg34 with low boost remote mount turbo.

yes, vg34.

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« Reply #10 on: 09:18:30 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
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oh im so surprised...more negativity.im not going to let you guys say this and that..i dont care.i can do whatever i put my mind too.this is a tough choice...hardest one yet.ive got the vg30et.the vg30det,the vg30dett,the vq35,and the vg33er,am i missing anything?


 

well i wasen't trying to 'call draconis out' or anything, i just remember him saying in the magazine articals that nothing less than a six will do, and the options mentioned were the same as yours but also included the straight six motors too, rb20det, rb25det, rb26dett, etc. i would think it would be easyer to get on of them to work then the bigger nissan v-sixes, the vg thats in the se is sorta cramped anyway

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« Reply #11 on: 10:15:37 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
the three five will fit, if someones fit a big vh45,it may not have worked,but clearance wise it was good.what about a inline 2.8 turbo from a 280zx??

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« Reply #12 on: 10:46:10 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
I have never liked how Nissan designed the engine bay + V6. They are ALWAYS way to cramped, and it seems like you need to drop the motor to do any work on it.

Nismo, I know you hate when people give you recommenations that you don;t like, but for the money, you'd be better off gonig with an RB series motor rather then a VQ/VG series. Have you ever trid to do a timing eblt on a VQ motor while it's still in the car? Good luck with that.

I vote for a RB series motor. Bang for buck, you will be happier with them. Plus you already have the engine managment figured out in aftermarket parts. While the VQ35 would be badass, I think you'll spend more time getting it in/running/tuned then you really expect.

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« Reply #13 on: 11:25:15 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
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the three five will fit, if someones fit a big vh45,it may not have worked,but clearance wise it was good.what about a inline 2.8 turbo from a 280zx??

Just saying "it will fit" doesn't make it true. And even if there's physically enough space, there's a boatload of issues with making mounts work (people always think "oh I can just weld it" but it's nowhere near that simple), not to mention engine management as Henry put it.

The L28ET from a 280ZX turbo was put in an S13 and based on what I saw, I hope it's never put in another S-chassis again. It's tooooo long, and even though they made it fit, it hangs too far past the front wheels, and throws the car's balance off waaaay much, all for what, old tech?

Stick with the VG series engines, If you're talking about going this crazy, for less work you could have done a VG30DETT and YES, that one actually "fits" and has even been done already in an S12 (once, by Aussies).
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« Reply #14 on: 11:44:51 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
ok.dont tell me what i can and cant do.i garantee a 3.5 will fit inside the bay.never said shit about mounts and i dont care if they work or dont.i will have a shop make the sucker fit.then what will you say???oooh it looks funny.i dont like how it sits.STOP HATIN.like i said THREE OR FOUR TIMES ALREADY... i dont like turbos all that much.maybe a nicely tuned vg30de.good power,reliable,cheap (to an extent)i think i saw one that was supercharged.and the main reason i dont want to turbo my existing engine,is that i cant throw a turbo on an engine with high compression like that.that isnt good no matter how you put it.

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« Reply #15 on: 11:53:50 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
lol nobody"s hatin'... but anybody can say "I can do it"... but until it's done, it's just talk, and talk is cheap. What's your budget? That's  something we see a lot of on the interwebz.... guys with beer money who want to start multi-thousand-dollar projects, and get pissed when people question their commitment to what is usually a very lofty goal.

I can respect your desire to stay NA... my KA24DE, while not a six, has given me a newfound respect for NA engines.

Is there a good, reasonable, *realistic* engine for you, that meets the requirements you seem to want?

Yes. It's your first choice: the VG33E.

Edit: I just deleted one post and kindly decided not to take the matter further; please, everyone, keep it civil, especially in the tech threads.
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Hella flush and all associates should be gunned down for brainwashing people into thinking a 225 and lots of camber is proper wheel fitment. THAT IS EASY, anyone can camber a skinny as tire till it dosnt rub. Now fitting an 11 with a 315 on stock fender with reasonable camber, that is fitment. And looks, and performs better than both.
i dont own a s12 at the moment but trying to acquire one to get rid of my s13 hatch
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« Reply #16 on: 11:54:35 AM / 09-Dec-08 »
whats wrong with me??dude why does everyone ask that.im not even trying to be rude or anything thats just how i talk.im straight forward and i dont take an inch of shit ever.you guys cant stand the heat,get out of the kitchen.i got money headed my way and im eager to get this all planned.so sorry if yall think im a dick..im not trying to be.i think im going to try the vg30de.maybe the dett,but god that would be a bitch to work on.its going to be a daily,so i want a fairly easy engine to work on.i dont want to turbo the vg30e cuz wouldnt i have to replace the pistons?that wouldnt be fun at all.vg33e is on the table too.god this is a head ache and a half.ive got a bankroll of 5k for now.but im waiting and waiting until something clicks and clicks hard in my head.the 33 is calling though.
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« Reply #17 on: 12:02:11 PM / 09-Dec-08 »
im just a sarcastic guy.get used to it.since im saving most of my dough,i will have around 5 k to start.more if needed.i think im going to do the vg33e.did they come without the superchargers?
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« Reply #18 on: 12:10:29 PM / 09-Dec-08 »
So much fluff like this thread on here all the time. This forum would be 1000 times better without the useless fantasy threads.


"Nismooligist"

I'll break this into suburban hip-hop speak for you.

Is you want to silence the "haters" I have a suggestion: Don't talk about it, be about it.


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« Reply #19 on: 12:17:35 PM / 09-Dec-08 »
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So much fluff like this thread on here all the time. This forum would be 1000 times better without the useless fantasy threads.
"Nismooligist"

I'll break this into suburban hip-hop speak for you.

Is you want to silence the "haters" I have a suggestion: Don't talk about it, be about it.


what the fuck is that suppost to mean??you callin me ghetto or something??i appreciate the positive stuff,but i dont need any negativity.thats just ppl trying to bring me down.but waste your time if you feel the need.

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