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Offline Deezus

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #40 on: 06:35:26 PM / 02-Aug-11 »
Tires and wheels have no effect on what im talking about. With 15s or 18s you can still only drop the car an in or so before you start compressing the strut.

Im talking about lowering at the strut itself.

Post Merge: 08:26:29 PM / 02-Aug-11
So you were talking about the other half that I completely forgot about.
Yeah, that IS another thing. Bottoming out struts is very very very very bad.....

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Awesome

I don't have that issue with my K sports. Adjustable length struts for the motherfucking win.
(Even if the springs are way to stiff....)

off topic, but do you have the ksports with the dampening knobbies on the bottom?
such a stupid design =/
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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #41 on: 08:16:30 PM / 03-Aug-11 »
the rear suspension on a mustang though hasnt changed pretty much since the day it was designed...sra is just sooooooo simple.

If you ignore going from leaf springs to four link to three link.

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #42 on: 09:43:07 PM / 03-Aug-11 »
off topic, but do you have the ksports with the dampening knobbies on the bottom?
such a stupid design =/

Mine come in to the shock from the top.

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #43 on: 11:31:07 PM / 03-Aug-11 »
^the ksport I had on my corolla were the same design, adjustable from the top... although the rear ones were not that easy to access...
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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #44 on: 01:54:30 AM / 04-Aug-11 »
...sra is just sooooooo simple.

Too simple, and Limiting.  Of course, if all you want to do is go in a straight line or drift, I guess...  Neither appeal to me.

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #45 on: 06:17:48 PM / 04-Aug-11 »
if the rear spring falling out worries you, then just get some limiting straps :P problem solved

oh and i thought id share this here. haha free front 5 lug :D and reverting back to 4x4.5 is as easy as removing one wheel stud and bolting your 4 lug wheel and rotor (unless drilled for both) back on.
http://ignitesoul.blogspot.com/2011/08/front-5-lug-conversion.html
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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #46 on: 01:31:10 AM / 05-Aug-11 »
that is the dumbest thing ive ever seen... whats stopping the stud from spinning when you try to tighten or loosen a lug? If you dont drill straight then your studs will be all pigeon dicked.

Its like masturbating at work... just dont do it.


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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #47 on: 09:42:51 AM / 06-Aug-11 »
that is the dumbest thing ive ever seen... whats stopping the stud from spinning when you try to tighten or loosen a lug? If you dont drill straight then your studs will be all pigeon dicked.

Its like masturbating at work... just dont do it.
if you use a 1/2" bit (12.7mm), the knurl is definitely big enough (13.x or 14.x, I forget) to press in correctly. also, that's why you use a drill press and a vice, not a hand drill

so yeah... only try it if you're not an idiot

same argument would work for the weld on coilover mod... HEY GUYS WHAT'S STOPPING THEM FROM FALLING APART IF YOU USE JB WELD TO HOLD THE STRUT TUBES TOGETHER THIS MOD SUCKS

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #48 on: 10:18:01 AM / 06-Aug-11 »
I would be very careful about casually grinding away the webs on the back of the hub.  They are there to strengthen the flange of the hub, they are spaced for Four studs.  You may never have a problem, if you are lucky.  However, if done poorly you could cause stress risers which lead to cracks and ultimately failure. 

That means a wheel coming off at what would be a very bad period in time.

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #49 on: 01:19:06 PM / 06-Aug-11 »
I just don't get it sometimes...

Come on guys, honestly, there is already a number of cheap option to convert from 4x4.5 to 5x4.5, why would someone weaken a perfectly good hub?

Plus IMO, there is enough good looking wheels that are 4x4.5 to stop anyone from wanting a 5x4.5... and those starion wheels are not what I'd call "a must have"... I really hope that guy didn't do that only to fit those wheels...

Anyways, for those that don't want to convert to an s12 SE, z31 or s14 front suspension, this is the REAL way to go





5 lugs billet hub, fits right in place, with stock bearing and stock brake.... but don't get to excited, they were designed for rwd corollas)

TPR motorsport was able to price them at 315$ a pair including shipping to the 48 lower States.  Hell, they had a group buy going on that reduce the price to 250$ a pair if 10 pairs where sold...

It wouldn't cost more than that to have some done with the specs of the s12 spindle instead... and it is dirt cheap compared to the cost of a what Wolf was describing above... a front wheel leaving at 60mph

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #50 on: 09:38:40 PM / 06-Aug-11 »
I just don't get it sometimes...

Come on guys, honestly, there is already a number of cheap option to convert from 4x4.5 to 5x4.5, why would someone weaken a perfectly good hub?

Plus IMO, there is enough good looking wheels that are 4x4.5 to stop anyone from wanting a 5x4.5... and those starion wheels are not what I'd call "a must have"... I really hope that guy didn't do that only to fit those wheels...

ummmmmmmmm, cause its free? haha everything has its disadvantages. and id MUCH rather do this as a temp job while i save money for a better way. sometimes this is all we have enough for(keep in mind not all of us have ballerific jobs and 6 figure or even 5 figure salaries and some are also even still in high school/college like myself), not everyone has a budget for $300 hubs and whatnot and mods like this is as cheap as it gets. id personally go for S14 SE hubs tho.

but not on an S12. 5lug S12s are weak :P hahaha
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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #51 on: 12:49:36 AM / 07-Aug-11 »
why not do it right the first time.


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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #52 on: 03:37:27 AM / 07-Aug-11 »
I still really, really do not understand this fascination with going 5 lug........
It's pretty pointless....

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #53 on: 03:23:00 PM / 07-Aug-11 »
People go five lug so they aren't tempted to put good looking rims on their cars.
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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #54 on: 05:31:08 PM / 07-Aug-11 »
lol, yah man, these hoshinos are a problem!

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #55 on: 06:05:52 PM / 07-Aug-11 »
I still really, really do not understand this fascination with going 5 lug........
It's pretty pointless....

people do it on s13s because you cant get any good wheels for an s13 without going 5lug, or well in decent sizes.

And a lot of the s12 community is people who wanted an s13/14 but settled for s12, because they wanted to be different. So... they try to style and s12 like they would a 13 or 14 but... that looks ugly broezzz.

Thats why.
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« Reply #56 on: 03:53:02 AM / 08-Aug-11 »
What's a "decent" size? They have 4x114.3 in 15's, 16's, and 17's with multiple widths, lower offsets, and staggering. There are lots of 'em out there.

 Anything bigger on an S13/S14 isn't really beneficial at all. Bigger brakes fit under 17's fine. Even ones that are almost too big for the car. That's the only logical reason I can think of having bigger wheels than 17's...

But, I'm also wondering this question about the E30 world. They have a fascination with 5 lug too. Except, the E30 has 4x100. The M3, OR any E36 hub conversion 5 lug is 5x120.
Now I ask you rhetorically, Which one is going to have more wheel varieties? 4x100, or 5x120?

I just don't get it. And I probably never will.... It's almost as if people modify the car to suit a certain set of wheels. Instead of buying wheels that suit the car.

Also, slightly off topic but it should be known, that I have this vehement disgust for people that spend a bazillion dollars on wheels. They're wheels, Not gold ingots....
Example? BBS RS's. Why the fuck are they worth 2k+?!? Sure they're pretty. But not 2k pretty...

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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #57 on: 06:19:33 AM / 08-Aug-11 »
Im talking width and offset, a lot of wheel companys will make like a 4lug 17x7 +30 but the same wheel in 5lug will be made to 17x9 +30

for s12s, 4lug just has better wheels.

And drifting/driving on a 16x9 is way different than drift/driving on a 18x9

This past wednesday a friend and i were tandeming at our local spot, he was running 17s and 18s all day on his 1j s14, then when he put a pair of 16s on.... he just spun tire like crazy and just couldnt hook up.

A lot of guys have come to our local spot with SRs and what not, on 15s and sucked peepee, but we got them on some 17s and it made driving so much easier... same with guy comming with stock KAs running 17s, we put them on 15s and they can actually connect the straight.

Wiht 5lug, you just have more variety of wheel sizing, it probably wastn like that 6-7 years ago (idk, i was worried about masturbating then)  until everyone started going 5lug then the wheel companies followed.

im rambling.... This whole post is horribly written, but GETDAFUDGEOVERIT!
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Re: Definite Weld On Coilover Parts List For s12 suspension
« Reply #58 on: 11:32:44 AM / 09-Aug-11 »
Jay's point is the whole meaning behind the self quote in my sig.
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« Reply #59 on: 01:05:22 PM / 09-Aug-11 »
I think quality and the material/manner in which the higher priced rims are made. Its all a matter of available funds and intended use of the wheels. When it comes to wheels, To each his own really. Not defending anyone really, just sayin... its not worth stressin over what other people are puttin on their cars. As long as any possible failure of their goods doesn't affect my car then all g haha