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Offline rob101

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« Reply #20 on: 09:08:19 PM / 11-Aug-04 »
hmmmm have you ever heard of neutral steer its when the front and the back have the same slip angle thus if they have the same cornering stiffness they will both break loose at the same time. I do know that drifting is not just power oversteer. A car which has a understeer posture (putting Centre of mass further forward will increase this) will tend to want to yaw back to the direction it is travelling when it is sliding perhaps this is good for drifting i am not sure. however i was under the idea that a neutral steer car is desired for drifting as it does not tend to yaw in either direction. putting more weight forward won\'t result in a less Neutral Sterring car generally. once again i am not saying this is gospel but i have been doing alot of reading on the subject (have thesis on modelling suspension for a formula SAE car) and have been pondering  :wall:  about these problems in a physical sense.
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« Reply #21 on: 10:35:54 AM / 12-Aug-04 »
I think the problem with a neutral car is just that ... it\'s neutral. It really comes down to driver preference I guess.

It\'s kind of like NASCAR in a way. NASCAR cars are set up to only turn left. The entire car is actually balanced that way. I\'ve got some pretty funny pictures of C&D trying to manhandle a Winston Cup car through a slalom.

Getting a car into a neutral slide isn\'t easy, especially at a high rate of speed. It takes an experienced driver in a car he\'s familiar with to do it properly. If your car has a natural tendency to initiate drifts, you can get some really visually impressive drifts.  

The thing is, drifting is a demonstration sport. What makes a car desireable for road holding and handling won\'t help you drift.

A neutral car would me a much better all around performer. You wouldn\'t want to race a car that has been set up for drifting on a street track.
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« Reply #22 on: 02:08:10 PM / 13-Aug-04 »
..... later...

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« Reply #23 on: 07:45:56 PM / 18-Aug-04 »
ok i\'m not going to get involved in the drifting debate as this is not the thread for it.

I have heard the rb20det has definately been done in australia, u just have to move the radiator. I would be very keen to see some pics plz to

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thanks, i have one ca18det S12 Hatch, thinking of getting an FJ20et Notchback, unless rb20det seems like a better option (probably easier to find and cheaper in the long run for modifications)

This thread had some good info, before the drift arguement started. catchas

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« Reply #24 on: 09:05:20 AM / 22-Aug-04 »
I am in australia and would like to know if anyone could send me some info and some pics of the s12 in australia that has had the rb conversion as i am interested in putting a rb25 in my 86 hatch and from the information that i have been given i have been informed that it is an easy conversion..

so any information and pics would be greatly appreciated.
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« Reply #25 on: 06:31:10 PM / 02-Sep-04 »
im interseted in the pics and knowing how u goin..? Five_waleed83@yahoo.com
Rbs r good on kw but if u ganna go 4 one, just go all the way to RB26 and change it from Twin turbo to a single Big turbo something big like my mate is puting in his rb26 a T66,7 something close to that...but then u got few problems with the diff converion and the tail shaft...?

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« Reply #26 on: 01:42:21 PM / 05-Sep-04 »
pics are on their way
been flat out with work and college
as soon as i get online from my own comp i will post them up
i do apoligise for the delay

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« Reply #27 on: 04:23:58 PM / 15-Jun-05 »
ooo i cant wait to see this! Email me pics at [a href=\'mailto:Hobogpo102@hotmail.com\']Hobogpo102@hotmail.com[/a]

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« Reply #28 on: 03:27:12 AM / 19-Jun-05 »
if you look at the link above the pic you can view a vid of it running, has been running and registered for the 9months

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« Reply #29 on: 06:08:59 AM / 19-Jun-05 »
cool go beat the shit out of it then video tape it anmd host it on here

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« Reply #30 on: 10:59:55 AM / 19-Jun-05 »
Didn\'t see the vid.  Must have been fun getting that rad in.


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« Reply #31 on: 05:12:24 AM / 28-Jun-05 »
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« Reply #32 on: 04:06:44 PM / 03-Sep-05 »
that was the coolest thing ive ever seen... i was just thinking last night how fun it would be to have a truly original swap...
well at least it can be rare in cali! :)
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« Reply #33 on: 09:05:59 AM / 26-Sep-05 »
when i registered the car in qld australia it was the first one on the registry

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« Reply #34 on: 10:12:44 AM / 26-Sep-05 »
.looks good
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« Reply #35 on: 09:11:33 PM / 16-Oct-05 »
I sent you a private message... I would love to see pics of that JIC suspension in there... [a href=\'mailto:jamesrwusnae@msn.com\']jamesrwusnae@msn.com[/a]

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« Reply #36 on: 02:31:59 AM / 17-Oct-05 »
wow props dude
how much did the swap cost you?
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« Reply #37 on: 01:08:48 PM / 18-Oct-05 »
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to \\\"drift\\\" all 4 tires have to be sliding. Anything else is a power slide.

You basically want to understeer to keep the front end of the car pointing towards the exit of the turn through the entire movement.

Remember, the whole \\\"idea\\\" of drifting is to be able to slide a corner at a faster rate than you could apex the turn. If you come into a turn, slow down to take it, then just light up the tires under power on the exit - this is not a drift. To take a corner faster than the car can apex, you have to slide the front. With the front tires gripping, you\'re taking the wrong approach. Doing it this way, you have a pivot point. Applying power will make you rotate on that point - ie oversteer. This is where moderation comes into play. If you have severe understeer, the car will plow straight, which is bad. Moderate understeer, the car will half turn, then start to slip. You then use oversteer to keep the back end pushing you in the direction you want to go. When the understeer goes away, if you\'ve done everything right, the car will end up pointing towards the exit, and you power out. If you\'re trying to do it by just jerking the wheel to keep the front end where you want it, you\'ll invite counter rotation. Basically if you keep pushing the car in this state, you\'ll oversteer into a complete 360. You have to keep the momentum, or inertia in a constant arc. By going back and forth to correct, you\'re unloading and loading opposite tires on the back end.  

When I say \\\"understeer first, then power\\\" I don\'t mean it\'s a 2 step process. You don\'t get the car to plow, then apply power. It\'s a smooth transition.

You angle the car properly coming in on the approach. As it starts to understeer and the front end loses its grip, you have to steer with the throttle.  

It\'s hard to explain in words. Play with a Hot Wheels car, you might get an idea there.


exactly why the V6 S12 is a good car to learn with, learn to control the understeer.
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« Reply #38 on: 08:15:50 AM / 19-Oct-05 »
No offence, but have you guys got any idea what you\'re talking about here? The last thing that you want to take out drifting is a nose heavy, understeering dog of a car. If that was the case my Cima would be the ultimate drift car and I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. Next thing someones going to say that lots of body roll makes your car handle better and you need o restrict the flow of air through an engine otherwise it won\'t make power. Please, do us all a favour and do some research on handling and suspension before you post any more dribble like this .
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« Reply #39 on: 05:20:23 PM / 26-Oct-05 »
hey looser, no one said they were understeering dogs, just said that a lil more weight in the front makes a good drift car, a cima is a heavy boat all over that is why its a dog, driving a car with a lil front bias is great for drift, have you ever driven an s13 with an rb, if no then i suggest you keep your mouth shut.