few question for california hybrids...

SlidingSean · 01:01:31 PM / 21-Jul-05

I looked but cant find anything about smog, anyone in california smog a ca18det in their s12? or even a ka24e? my main thing is smog issues. Im pretty sure the ka24e should be fine newer nissan motor offerd in states etc... but what about the ca18det, its a newer version of the ca18et, doubt the smog shop can even tell, dsm guys are getting away with smoging their secound generation eclipses with first gen motors (4g63). just a thought

sideways · 01:32:24 PM / 21-Jul-05

ca18det was never offered in us so it will not smog..... now if you can convince them it is a ca18et or something it should pass the tests fine

200SXXEnotchbck86 · 02:10:57 PM / 21-Jul-05

If you had a stock 1.8et and then replaced it with the 1.8 det, You may be able to slide by visually. But I really doubt it. Ask hillkill, he is trying to get his det to pass smog out in the bay area. As for the Ka, its allowed as long as its newer then the car, and it didn\'t come from a truck. It will have to be set up exactly like the car it came from. Probably best to use the earlier set up as the later use OBD II which could be a pain. All things have to work, as you will need to have it Refereed and labeled. It must have all the smog componts for the given year that your setting it up for, example, if you doing it by 92, you have to use all 92 parts unless they carry over from other years. You can use headers and what not if they are Carb approved for that year KA and car. So if you set it up like the 92 240sx, then any performance parts that are approved for that year car can be installed on the KA in the S12.

edit: Now if its a ca18de motor, it would be more possible. But you may have problems with the Intake.

SlidingSean · 04:55:45 AM / 23-Jul-05

not to worried about visual and as for it having came with a ca18et shouldnt matter either, mr2 guys have been getting away with turbo\'ing n/a modles for years. reason im not worried about the visiual is because we have a bunch of hill billy\'s up here who just want it in and out, guy grabed a gas cap off the shelf and stuck it on my brothers car just to be sure it passed, then put the cap back on the shelf, never looked under the hood. I know southern cal has issues due to the extent they go through test only this and that and dyno\'ing etc. we dont have that up in northern northern cali, and whats the difference if the ka came from a truck? only difference I can see there being is the transmission being geard different. just tryin to see who has passed, want least amount of hassle with putting a new motor in it, but i could just end up :hit: in the end

200SXXEnotchbck86 · 01:53:57 PM / 23-Jul-05

If the turbo motor was offered, then you can have it, as long as its set up like that year turbo. You can probably do the same with the z31 N/A, and just turbo it, since it was offered, its not that big of a hassle. The problem is changing to a totally different motor. I think the KA swap is the best option for those of us that live here and have to take our cars to the Smog Nazi\'s (Referees). If you want turbo, then there is always the vg30dett motor. Would be a pain in the ass to get it in and running, but would probably be easier to smog then the SR or the cadet motors.

SlidingSean · 03:20:08 PM / 24-Jul-05

right now im steering away from the 6 cylinders. ive pretty much already made up my mind on the ka (due to prices) but was just wondering if anyones passed with a ca18det with out any hassle.

RPSport-John · 12:46:01 PM / 26-Jul-05

get an illegal smog, the cops wont be able to tell the difference between any other engine (when was the last time they looked under the hood of an s12..?)

Ok, KA, is not legal becasue it is of a high literage. So the \"newer\" argument does not work.

The CA18DET will not pass the visual from the Smog tech, or machine, becasue it is DIS not distributor.... So instead of cliping on #1 he\'ll have to clip on inductive timing ground (exposed in back of coil pack harness).

I really doubt that\'s gonna fly...?

LOL

Good Luck

Joel07 · 01:38:28 PM / 26-Jul-05

Plus the JDM motors don\'t have EGR, do they? That\'s a quick tip-off for visual smog inspections. Man I\'m glad I don\'t live in Cali anymore...

200SXXEnotchbck86 · 05:22:49 PM / 26-Jul-05

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Ok, KA, is not legal becasue it is of a high literage. So the \\\"newer\\\" argument does not work.

Why not, it was offered in a later model car, you set it up just like the car. With all the emnissions equipment and the ECU to the car, take it to the referee and as long as it meets the requirements for the year the engine came out of then it is allowed. Here in Cal, you have to take it to the referee at least once to get a new emissions label, after that you can take the car to any smog shop for testing the next time it is required. I have seen Integra motors in older Civics get by, I used to work with the Referee and have seen what they do and do not allow. If a cop is even slightly suspicious of the set up, they will right you a ticket and have you take your car to be inspected by the referee.

Joel07 · 06:49:10 AM / 27-Jul-05

There\'s a couple books out there about smog-legal swapping of 350\'s into S10\'s, so I don\'t see how the increase in engine size affects it. Like 200SXXEnotchbck86 said, from my understanding, as long as you\'re smog legal for the car it came out of, AND the motor is from the same year car or NEWER (can\'t swap in an older motor), it will be legal...

hillkill · 04:42:54 PM / 27-Jul-05

Well I\'ll answer that soon. I still haven\'t gone to the smog place yet but I know my car is running pig rich so it would be pointless anyway. But once I get her dialed I\'m going to hook up all the old emmisions stuff and take her to a all american smog place, You know the ones where there is not an import in sight. :boobs: I also had the single cam in it before so they souldn\'t trip off the turbo. and as for the distributer how will they be able to tell that the car came with one originally or not. if you say that the hood shows the picture I have already swapped the hood and stripped those stickers off.

SlidingSean · 06:04:34 PM / 27-Jul-05

keep me posted hillkill, right now really confused on what i want to do... (fix/paint/smog mr2 then start on s12, or just go nutz on the s12 now)

RPSport-John · 09:49:43 PM / 01-Aug-05

no egr = no smog pass, its as simple as that, and yeah, that motor did come in a newer model 200sx \"s\" series car.. IN JAPAN!!!! They will say NO.

DarknessRS · 05:28:56 AM / 28-Aug-05

Quoteno egr = no smog pass, its as simple as that, and yeah, that motor did come in a newer model 200sx \\\"s\\\" series car.. IN JAPAN!!!! They will say NO.

Yep, no EGR means it will fail visual inspection. And getting the SR to pass smog isn\'t a problem of the tailpipe emissions, but the crankcase emissions.

SlidingSean · 06:06:23 PM / 12-Sep-05

QuoteYep, no EGR means it will fail visual inspection. And getting the SR to pass smog isn\'t a problem of the tailpipe emissions, but the crankcase emissions.

we already know this, but he\'s saying the ka wont pass due to it being higher literage, which dosent make sence.

your taking a newer S chassis motor and putting it into a older S chassis car, just dont see how they could say no to it.

Premo · 06:29:08 PM / 12-Sep-05

ah, the joys of registering in a smog exempt county of CA

heh, just a one time smog and i can do whatever i want

200SXXEnotchbck86 · 07:19:44 PM / 12-Sep-05

Were do you get the non- EGR from, which engine? If your refering to the SR or ca18det, thats not why they would fail. Those 2 engines were not offered in the states and such are not allowed in a pollution controlled vehicle. The KA would be allowed, but everything from the doner car for emissiond would have to be transfered to the other car. I don\'t know what you mean by that \"high literage\" comment. You cannot but a truck motor into a car, and you can\'t put an older engine into a newer chasis. The KA was availible in both truck and car, as long as you have everything from the car and set it up as if it was still in that car, and that everything also functions correctly then it should be fine. But no matter what, if you changed the engine, it must be refereed. The only excemptions are if it is a replacement moter, meaning you replaced the motor of the same family offer that year for that particular car. Like replacing a 305 in a truck with a 350 from the same year truck. That can be done. Would probably also work if you put a ca18et into a car with a ca20e, as long as the turbo motor was offered that year in that car. And for checking timing on a DIS, you don\'t. IF the KA uses a DIS system, and it came factory for the year motor your setting up, then the timing doesn\'t get checked as its completely controlled by the computer. That would not fail the engine either. If your swapping in the KA, make an appointment with the Referee service. Bring in all the info you have, including wiring diagrams and vacuum hose routings. Show that this is how you hooked it up and its all from the same year engine. Be sure also that the wiring diagram and vacuum hose routing is from a reputable service manual and not some drawings done freehand. The tech will verify that these are the correct diagrams and that the car is hooked up the way its supposed to. As long as everything is functioning correctly and the car passes the emissions test, you will get your label, making that engine legal for your car and letting you take it anywhere in the future for testing. As long as the label is intact, and everything is hooked p the way it should. You shouldn\'t have any problems. And, if there is any CARB approved after market parts made for the doner car, they also are legal on the car the engine went into.

200SXXEnotchbck86 · 10:20:47 PM / 15-Sep-05

I just learned something new today. The 30 year exeption for smog here in Ca has been resended. As of 2004, the 30 year exemption is no longer in effect. Instead, its 1975 and older that are exempt.

SlidingSean · 12:02:18 PM / 16-Sep-05

your just now hearing about it? think it went into effect right before the new year or right after. Makes you want to go and knock on arnolds door and drag his butt out and make him sniff exhaust fumes all day. personally I think it should have continued to 1990 that way most carburated motors wouldnt have to deal with it.